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(06-10-2021, 08:09 PM)lionuk Wrote: When I saw this picture (below) of Mohawk in the night, it remained me of one of the last pictures taken of Othawa Male alive. Both pictures were taken not far where the Birmingham males were seen.
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Othawa Male (below)
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So far in the competition between Birminghams and Avocas, Birminghams are the one clearly on the back foot so even through some months/weeks ago I expected Birminghams to be stronger party in this confrontation it seems now it is other way around and now I would worry more of Birminghams being potentially singled out and beaten/killed by Avocas than other way around.
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Time will tell. Nature doesn'tesnt play by the books
If they catch him alone in the right circumstances they could easily decide to take him out. Being in a coalition is pointless if you split up. And the Birminghams clearly have enough fight in them to take out intruders.
Though most likely the Avocas will just run. There isnt enough at stake to fight over. Why get yourself killed over what you already have at home.
(06-11-2021, 02:59 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Time will tell. Nature doesn'tesnt play by the books
It does. It is not a first lion warfare we get to see and by looking at similar cases from the past we can judge what to expect in this confrontation as well.
(06-11-2021, 02:59 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: If they catch him alone in the right circumstances they could easily decide to take him out.
Of course, but it is easier said than done.
(06-11-2021, 02:59 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Being in a coalition is pointless if you split up
Yes, but it seems Avocas actually stick with each other more often than the Birminghams. It is not like Mohawk is on his own wandering through Birminghams territory whle Birminghams stick together just waiting for opporturnity of catching lone Avoca male. If you check Mala Mala raports for then past couple of months then you will find there than actually Birminghams are much more often seen separately than together even through then both move with just one pride which is strange and is very bad sign for their chances of defending territory.
(06-11-2021, 02:59 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: And the Birminghams clearly have enough fight in them to take out intruders.
Birminghams are not done yet althrough they are not doing great in defending their territory for the past months at all. Perhaps they will yet pull through their confrontation with Avocas, but so far it isn't going their way.
(06-11-2021, 02:59 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Though most likely the Avocas will just run. There isnt enough at stake to fight over. Why get yourself killed over what you already have at home.
It is not uncommon for the male lions to take the risk in order to gain more females to mate with. Also it seems Avocas are willling to take such risk or else they still would be moving safly with Nkuchumas around Djuma insteed of pushing for the takeover of Birrmingham males territory.
(06-11-2021, 03:26 AM)Potato Wrote: It does. It is not a first lion warfare we get to see and by looking at similar cases from the past we can judge what to expect in this confrontation as well.
In fact, it never does.
Mohawk could make a fatal error, or one of the Birminghams. The confrontation may never take place.
Nobody knows.
The story stays to be written
"The Mhangene pride has been spending a lot of time on Savanna the past couple weeks. We have been fortunate to watch them hunting on the clearings as well as having some incredible sightings of the new young cubs. There was an interaction between the pride and the Styx and Nkuhuma Males, which ended up with the lionesses putting up a big fight and chasing them off the property. They then moved west in the property and were able to bring down a huge buffalo bull. We only had five lionesses and three of the young cubs on the Buffalo and believe the last lionesses might be to the east of the camp."
I asked Ronel smith if there was any interaction between the Tsalala Females and Skorro Jr and he said they both ran when they saw him, and he began to chase them. They both split up and Skorro Jr continued chasing the older lioness. He doesn't know what happened after that
We need to monitor Tsalala female as she will be mating now, so we can see who will be potential fathers, i dont think she conceded mating with Avocas.
06-11-2021, 07:05 PM( This post was last modified: 06-11-2021, 07:06 PM by Tr1x24 )
(06-11-2021, 03:26 AM)Potato Wrote: Yes, but it seems Avocas actually stick with each other more often than the Birminghams. It is not like Mohawk is on his own wandering through Birminghams territory whle Birminghams stick together just waiting for opporturnity of catching lone Avoca male. If you check Mala Mala raports for then past couple of months then you will find there than actually Birminghams are much more often seen separately than together even through then both move with just one pride which is strange and is very bad sign for their chances of defending territory.
Disagree, N. Avocas are not seen more together then Bboys, Mohawk is mostly seen on his own, and in fact, after the OM incident, 2 Bboys where seen together quite often.. They where not seen together in past months (before OM's death) because of mating..
(06-11-2021, 03:26 AM)Potato Wrote: Birminghams are not done yet althrough they are not doing great in defending their territory for the past months at all. Perhaps they will yet pull through their confrontation with Avocas, but so far it isn't going their way.
Again disagree, they just killed intruding OM, how is that poor defending their territory?? They are doing great job despite their age, defending their territory on multiple fronts.
And again, despite losing some land, they are still fully in comand of Kambula pride..
(06-11-2021, 07:05 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Again disagree, they just killed intruding OM, how is that poor defending their territory?? They are doing great job despite their age, defending their territory on multiple fronts.
They manage to kill OM only because he walk into them both together. In the months prior that Othawa male was taking over some of Birmingham's territorys in Londolozi to no response from BIrminghams beside single instanse when they chassed him from a kill in Londolozi. Birminghams also gave up lots of ground to Avocas in the north and are still slowly, but constantly losing more and more ground to Avocas. It is far from what I would call great job at defending territory.
(06-11-2021, 07:05 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: And again, despite losing some land, they are still fully in comand of Kambula pride..
They are not anymore. They have lost to Avocas some lands on which Kambula pride is operating. Avocas also were seen already mating with some of the Kambulas and now by newest update Mohawk was seen roaring with one of the Kambula female.
06-12-2021, 02:47 AM( This post was last modified: 06-12-2021, 03:09 AM by Tr1x24 )
(06-12-2021, 02:04 AM)Potato Wrote: They manage to kill OM only because he walk into them both together. In the months prior that Othawa male was taking over some of Birmingham's territorys in Londolozi to no response from BIrminghams beside single instanse when they chassed him from a kill in Londolozi. Birminghams also gave up lots of ground to Avocas in the north and are still slowly, but constantly losing more and more ground to Avocas. It is far from what I would call great job at defending territory.
Again, there was a few reports of Bboys chasing and responding to OM's roars, not only 1, just watch Londolozi vlogs when OM was roaring on airstrip, rangers said that he multiple times retreat west when Bboys show up after they hear him, they said it was almost daily..
Bboys where mating, how do you expect them to mate, eat, sleep and chase both OM and N. Avocas at the same time? Also in meanwhile they where also chasing Styx and NK.. Lions you know dont spend 24/7 patroling and trying to chase other males..
And in the end, you and I only know what was reported or seen, in fact we have 0 info what Bboys and Avocas are doing at night when lions are most active and on patrols, so your claims are just assumptions..
(06-12-2021, 02:04 AM)Potato Wrote: They are not anymore. They have lost to Avocas some lands on which Kambula pride is operating. Avocas also were seen already mating with some of the Kambulas and now by newest update Mohawk was seen roaring with one of the Kambula female.
False, Bboys are still fully in control of their females and subadults, as they where seen with them just recently..
Mohawk being with 1 female means nothing, one female was even seen mating with Wide Nose Nwaswitshaka, and we dont say that Nwaswitshakas control Kambulas because of that lol..
Lets see what happens but for now Bboys didn't lost nothing to Avocas, except small piece of land, which means nothing by itself.
06-12-2021, 02:56 AM( This post was last modified: 06-12-2021, 03:00 AM by Duco Ndona )
That doesn't really mean anything.
Othawa male did all that as well. And it didn't help him out that much in the end.
There is always some mating with neighbouring males when they are around. Its just impossible for a coalition to keep track of every lioness and usually they don't even try.
And lion territories aren't as well defined and can fluxate without any fight on a day to day basis. They dont fight over over every square mile of land for the sake of it being their land.
Things aren't as black and white with animals.
Anything can happen or nothing can happen. All it takes is one misstep and the tables may turn drastically.
(06-12-2021, 02:56 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: That doesn't really mean anything.
Othawa male did all that as well. And it didn't help him out that much in the end.
There is always some mating with neighbouring males when they are around. And lion territories aren't as well defined and can fluxate without any fight on a day to day basis. They dont fight over over every square mile of land for the sake of it being their land.
Things aren't as black and white with animals.
Anything can happen or nothing can happen. All it takes is one misstep and the tables may turn drastically.
Thank you, very well said.
Until Avocas actually overtake and oust Bboys, Bboys are still in charge of Kambulas and that territory..
Mohawk moving in and out, and mating with a female here and there means nothing until he actually challenge Bboys..
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