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This prove that I didn't say something wrong. Only that I was basing on this comment afterall they know very well how the lions move and their behavior.
(07-18-2020, 02:42 AM)Matimbalani Wrote: I think the Nharus did manage to catch Shaka Mibiri alone and afterwards the Mbiris abandoned the core of their territory. So far as these things go, there will be some back and forth between the two coalitions until one is forced to abandon their claims for good. Since the Mayambula clubs are much older, I think the Mbiris may have started getting the itchy foot and start probing around for more prides to take over.
Ultimately, I think the territory would be for the Vuyelas to take if they manage to avoid any death.
Personally, I don't think Timbavati is a good area for male lions. They do on occasion "disappear" in their prime specially if they are handsome specimens.
I understand what you are trying to say.
The hunting not is allowed anymore in the Timbavati. I believe that never has been allowed but the lions in Umbabat always were on risky there.
If I remember where the hunt used to happen with frequent was in the Northern of Timbavati... (If anyone know it well,Please correct me)
I have read in several places that Timbavati does allow hunting though not sure of the specifics of exactly which parts, how frequently etc. I would love to learn more and to know that the practice is banned.
(07-18-2020, 02:42 AM)Matimbalani Wrote: I think the Nharus did manage to catch Shaka Mibiri alone and afterwards the Mbiris abandoned the core of their territory. So far as these things go, there will be some back and forth between the two coalitions until one is forced to abandon their claims for good. Since the Mayambula clubs are much older, I think the Mbiris may have started getting the itchy foot and start probing around for more prides to take over.
Ultimately, I think the territory would be for the Vuyelas to take if they manage to avoid any death.
Personally, I don't think Timbavati is a good area for male lions. They do on occasion "disappear" in their prime specially if they are handsome specimens.
I understand what you are trying to say.
The hunting not is allowed anymore in the Timbavati. I believe that never has been allowed but the lions in Umbabat always were on risky there.
If I remember where the hunt used to happen with frequent was in the Northern of Timbavati... (If anyone know it well,Please correct me)
I have read in several places that Timbavati does allow hunting though not sure of the specifics of exactly which parts, how frequently etc. I would love to learn more and to know that the practice is banned.
In fact.
Isn't allowed but as Umbabat not belongs to Timbavati there are other rules maybe.
A example of Dribbler the Sohobele male: He was hunted If I remember correctly. they were dominant in the Northern Timbavati, Greg McCall-peat has post a picture of him saying that he was poached.
However,Where Greg work at that time wasn't allowed...
So I think depend of the location, But thank to god there not is allowed anymore. (At least for the last years none lion has disappeared as used to do before.)
Sometimes the people with each dissapearance of a lion they think that is related with the trophy hunt, but without any proofs they only are doing cover in mud the own reserve.
The Timbavati is open to three different reserves, Klaserie PNR, Thornybush Game Reserve, And the KNP, and i would dare to say that even is open to Balule, Despite is a far area. (The Fence between Timbavati and KNP was open in the 1993, time before that were starting with Klaserie, Balule and the lately was Thornybush.) I don't know which reserve has dropping the fence first but is a good source to remember.
(I mean people in Facebook, Are spreading a lot of lies about the Timbavati when they even not have investigared nothing about that area.)
The question is for who more? For a Mbiris or for a males which come across that duo.
"Cathan Moore the photographer that has witness all this fight at Kings Camp he has said that he saw the change of the confidence of the Mbiri's"
If Mbiris would be scared of Nharhus, they would not enter their territorry in the first place, but enjoy reach in food life with their pride insteed.
"I've found a blog of Umlani Bushcamp,Maybe all of we have read it before. When the three Nharhu have appear in the area. Both Mbiri have moved towards the south. an adjacent move of where were the Nharhu at that time. (at least, I've interpret like that)"
To put it in right timeline it wwas:
1. Myambula pride moving further southh towards their old hunting grounds 2. Mbiris move further norrth and mate with at least one River pride female. 3. Zig Zag Scar moving south, joining Myambula pride while Shaka is still in Klaserie mating with River female 4. Nharhus cough Shaka and maul him 5. Shaka joins back Myambula pride heavly battered 6. Nharhus taking advantage from Shaka being unable to fight secure large arena and take River pride for themselfs 7. The borders were settled and did not change so far.
07-18-2020, 02:00 PM( This post was last modified: 07-18-2020, 02:05 PM by Brahim )
It definitely was allowed to trophy hunt In timbavati .It’s not just Northern timbavati that allowed poaching a lot of males were poached in timbavati. The Birmingham males fathers. Bigger mapoza and many more bulky lions
(07-18-2020, 02:42 AM)Matimbalani Wrote: I think the Nharus did manage to catch Shaka Mibiri alone and afterwards the Mbiris abandoned the core of their territory. So far as these things go, there will be some back and forth between the two coalitions until one is forced to abandon their claims for good. Since the Mayambula clubs are much older, I think the Mbiris may have started getting the itchy foot and start probing around for more prides to take over.
Ultimately, I think the territory would be for the Vuyelas to take if they manage to avoid any death.
Personally, I don't think Timbavati is a good area for male lions. They do on occasion "disappear" in their prime specially if they are handsome specimens.
I understand what you are trying to say.
The hunting not is allowed anymore in the Timbavati. I believe that never has been allowed but the lions in Umbabat always were on risky there.
If I remember where the hunt used to happen with frequent was in the Northern of Timbavati... (If anyone know it well,Please correct me)
I have read in several places that Timbavati does allow hunting though not sure of the specifics of exactly which parts, how frequently etc. I would love to learn more and to know that the practice is banned.
In fact.
Isn't allowed but as Umbabat not belongs to Timbavati there are other rules maybe.
A example of Dribbler the Sohobele male: He was hunted If I remember correctly. they were dominant in the Northern Timbavati, Greg McCall-peat has post a picture of him saying that he was poached.
However,Where Greg work at that time wasn't allowed...
So I think depend of the location, But thank to god there not is allowed anymore. (At least for the last years none lion has disappeared as used to do before.)
Sometimes the people with each dissapearance of a lion they think that is related with the trophy hunt, but without any proofs they only are doing cover in mud the own reserve.
The Timbavati is open to three different reserves, Klaserie PNR, Thornybush Game Reserve, And the KNP, and i would dare to say that even is open to Balule, Despite is a far area. (The Fence between Timbavati and KNP was open in the 1993, time before that were starting with Klaserie, Balule and the lately was Thornybush.) I don't know which reserve has dropping the fence first but is a good source to remember.
(I mean people in Facebook, Are spreading a lot of lies about the Timbavati when they even not have investigared nothing about that area.)
Thanks for the info. I do hope that trophy hunting is banned as a matter of policy and that the ban persists through the current economic upheaval. There isn't a shortage of bored middle-age dentists with piles of cash.
Allowing for the invariable effluent that originates from Facebook, I don't doubt that trophy hunting is perhaps allowed in some of these reserves. After all they are private properties and even their titles "game reserve" attest to that origin.
(07-18-2020, 02:00 PM)Brahimlegend Wrote: It definitely was allowed to trophy hunt In timbavati .It’s not just Northern timbavati that allowed poaching a lot of males were poached in timbavati. The Birmingham males fathers. Bigger mapoza and many more bulky lions
In the Timbavati not was allowed altogether
I'm very fan of this area and I've research a lot about that.
around 3 years ago, Tanda Tula has do a post against the trophy hunting
In 2012, Greg McCall-Peat has confirm by their own words that where he works Isn't allowed the Trophy hunt. If you look carefully the lions that have dissapear were most in the Northern, Because there is the Umbabat Private Nature Reserve and the Ntsiri Private Nature Reserve, Different reserves with others rules of course.
The big Mapoza he not was hunted, He died from a injuries that he got during a hunt. I have asked this to Ziggi Hugo a long time ago. I will ask again and i will post the reply here...
(07-18-2020, 02:42 AM)Matimbalani Wrote: I think the Nharus did manage to catch Shaka Mibiri alone and afterwards the Mbiris abandoned the core of their territory. So far as these things go, there will be some back and forth between the two coalitions until one is forced to abandon their claims for good. Since the Mayambula clubs are much older, I think the Mbiris may have started getting the itchy foot and start probing around for more prides to take over.
Ultimately, I think the territory would be for the Vuyelas to take if they manage to avoid any death.
Personally, I don't think Timbavati is a good area for male lions. They do on occasion "disappear" in their prime specially if they are handsome specimens.
I understand what you are trying to say.
The hunting not is allowed anymore in the Timbavati. I believe that never has been allowed but the lions in Umbabat always were on risky there.
If I remember where the hunt used to happen with frequent was in the Northern of Timbavati... (If anyone know it well,Please correct me)
I have read in several places that Timbavati does allow hunting though not sure of the specifics of exactly which parts, how frequently etc. I would love to learn more and to know that the practice is banned.
In fact.
Isn't allowed but as Umbabat not belongs to Timbavati there are other rules maybe.
A example of Dribbler the Sohobele male: He was hunted If I remember correctly. they were dominant in the Northern Timbavati, Greg McCall-peat has post a picture of him saying that he was poached.
However,Where Greg work at that time wasn't allowed...
So I think depend of the location, But thank to god there not is allowed anymore. (At least for the last years none lion has disappeared as used to do before.)
Sometimes the people with each dissapearance of a lion they think that is related with the trophy hunt, but without any proofs they only are doing cover in mud the own reserve.
The Timbavati is open to three different reserves, Klaserie PNR, Thornybush Game Reserve, And the KNP, and i would dare to say that even is open to Balule, Despite is a far area. (The Fence between Timbavati and KNP was open in the 1993, time before that were starting with Klaserie, Balule and the lately was Thornybush.) I don't know which reserve has dropping the fence first but is a good source to remember.
(I mean people in Facebook, Are spreading a lot of lies about the Timbavati when they even not have investigared nothing about that area.)
Thanks for the info. I do hope that trophy hunting is banned as a matter of policy and that the ban persists through the current economic upheaval. There isn't a shortage of bored middle-age dentists with piles of cash.
Allowing for the invariable effluent that originates from Facebook, I don't doubt that trophy hunting is perhaps allowed in some of these reserves. After all they are private properties and even their titles "game reserve" attest to that origin.
Very agree with you.
At this point the Timbavati is a Private Nature Reserve Like Klaserie and Balule, I hope they not happen anymore in none place of South Africa and Africa!
(07-18-2020, 12:19 PM)Potato Wrote: "But their movements are a bit risky."
The question is for who more? For a Mbiris or for a males which come across that duo.
"Cathan Moore the photographer that has witness all this fight at Kings Camp he has said that he saw the change of the confidence of the Mbiri's"
If Mbiris would be scared of Nharhus, they would not enter their territorry in the first place, but enjoy reach in food life with their pride insteed.
"I've found a blog of Umlani Bushcamp,Maybe all of we have read it before. When the three Nharhu have appear in the area. Both Mbiri have moved towards the south. an adjacent move of where were the Nharhu at that time. (at least, I've interpret like that)"
To put it in right timeline it wwas:
1. Myambula pride moving further southh towards their old hunting grounds 2. Mbiris move further norrth and mate with at least one River pride female. 3. Zig Zag Scar moving south, joining Myambula pride while Shaka is still in Klaserie mating with River female 4. Nharhus cough Shaka and maul him 5. Shaka joins back Myambula pride heavly battered 6. Nharhus taking advantage from Shaka being unable to fight secure large arena and take River pride for themselfs 7. The borders were settled and did not change so far.
1) - I agree the Mbiri are a great duo but with the Nharhu they not have demonstrated be as you are paint it.
2) - I don't say that they are scared of the Nharhu, But when the Mbiri have been seen in Motswari roaring the rangers have said that they the have heard another group of 3 lions roaring back to them (Nharhu males) they have told that were from the River Pride!
3) - I'm still behind my words, The Mbiri have lost confidence, The Nharhu have chased them for seven kilometrers,
Anyway, Always is great see different point of view and always keeping the respect each-other.
You can notice long scar on the nose of Birmingham brokeaway male. The male on the right picture does not have it. Beside it those males look very different in face structure. Those are not a same males. Beside that what would be the point for Birmingham brokeaway to move out without his brother.
07-19-2020, 02:52 PM( This post was last modified: 07-19-2020, 02:56 PM by Tr1x24 )
(07-19-2020, 02:47 PM)Potato Wrote: You can notice long scar on the nose of Birmingham brokeaway male. The male on the right picture does not have it. Beside it those males look very different in face structure. Those are not a same males. Beside that what would be the point for Birmingham brokeaway to move out without his brother.
Idk, to me they look very similar, pictures are not the best to see.. hes brother is much younger..
