Tigers of Central India

[Pckts]

(10-23-2023, 07:03 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:

(10-23-2023, 06:09 PM)parvez Wrote: @Apex Titan Yes, maybe. After all, the genes of legends like charger, B2, bamera have passed on. But still I feel Kanha tigers are even impressive than Bandhavgarh tigers in terms of muscle strength.

Muscle strength? Its very hard to tell. Tigers from Bandhavgarh and Kanha are practically capable of doing the exact same strength and predation feats.

And like Bandhavgarh, Kanha also consistently produces some of the biggest and most powerful Bengal tigers in the world.

In your opinion, who do you think would have won in a fight, a prime charger (from Bandhavgarh) vs prime Umarpani male?

Bandhavgarh is just a smaller version of Kanha with less large prey. Both can produce large males but Kanha is going to do so more often. Reply

[Ashutosh]

@parvez @Apex Titan look at the males from camera traps of Satpura. You will find they are very impressive. Reply

[Roflcopters]

(10-24-2023, 01:33 AM)Ashutosh Wrote: @parvez @Apex Titan  look at the males from camera traps of Satpura. You will find they are very impressive.

Satpura tigers are critically underrated. Panna, Central Chandrapur & Chandrapur has some nice looking specimens too. check out this 2 year old male from Satpura that was rescued by the Satpura Forest Department back in 2021.

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The entire dynamic of human-wildlife conflict changes when there is a large predator involved as communities living close to the forests fear for their lives and that of their livestock. Wild tigers and leopards often end up attacking cattle due to the rapidly shrinking prey base in various parts of the country. The solution to this lopsided, strenuous equation is most certainly not retaliatory killings. Hunting, poaching or maiming any wild animal invites hefty punishment and incarceration as well. 

Disturbing news emerged from Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh when a critically injured wild tiger was admitted for treatment at the Wildlife Hospital, situated inside Van Vihar National Park. The male tiger sustained grave wounds and lacerations all across his body – especially on his head. Upon further investigation, it was learned that the tiger was rendered severely injured in an incident of a retaliatory attack by local communities when he strayed close to human habitations.

The tiger, estimated to be around 2 years of age and was rescued from Satpura Tiger Reserve, Madhya Pradesh and transferred to the Van Vihar National Park for urgent medical treatment. The trauma of the attack and the physical injuries were such that the tiger was unable to hunt, or even, stand, thus making him very weak.

The veterinary team at Van Vihar National Park, assisted by Wildlife SOS Veterinarian, Dr. Pritam and Dr. Pooja, immediately worked on stabilizing the tiger’s condition. There were wounds inflicted by a sharp object on his head and the massive feline sustained fractures on the skull and left hind limb. He requires intensive medical care and treatment along with regular X-Rays, and the team closely monitors his behavior to observe for signs of haemorrhaging or permanent disability.

Even though the first 24 hours were very critical, this brave animal has shown immeasurable amount of strength as he recovers remarkably. Wildlife SOS Veterinary officer, Dr. Rajat, has been assisting the veterinary team at Van Vihar National Park in the immobilization of the tiger and his on-going treatment. Regular medical treatment and a thorough examination have revealed that the tiger has been showing excellent recovery. His fractures are gradually setting and his wounds show significant improvement, and there is no behavioural abnormality noticed.

He rests during the day in an enclosure in the Indoor Ward of the Wildlife Hospital and is also given joint strengthening supplements as well as antibiotics to protect him from infections. Since the tiger’s recovery is good, the National Park authorities are determined to release him back into the wild, in a phased manner. He will first be soft released in an area around the National Park and will be monitored closely, and once deemed fit, he will return to his rightful home and translocated to an area away from human habitation.

Wildlife SOS assists the Van Vihar National Park authorities in the treatment of wild tigers, sloth bears and other animals. The Van Vihar Bear Rescue Facility is home to 21 sloth bears rescued from the age-old practice of “dancing bears” as well as human-wildlife conflict situations. We are thankful to the National Park authorities as well as the Forest Department for their timely intervention which saved the tiger’s life! 


source : https://wildlifesos.org/chronological-news/critically-wounded-tiger-receives-treatment-in-bhopal/

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pug marks of a very large male from Satpura. 2023  Reply

[Apex Titan]

(10-23-2023, 09:19 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(10-23-2023, 07:03 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:

(10-23-2023, 06:09 PM)parvez Wrote: @Apex Titan Yes, maybe. After all, the genes of legends like charger, B2, bamera have passed on. But still I feel Kanha tigers are even impressive than Bandhavgarh tigers in terms of muscle strength.

Muscle strength? Its very hard to tell. Tigers from Bandhavgarh and Kanha are practically capable of doing the exact same strength and predation feats.

And like Bandhavgarh, Kanha also consistently produces some of the biggest and most powerful Bengal tigers in the world.

In your opinion, who do you think would have won in a fight, a prime charger (from Bandhavgarh) vs prime Umarpani male?

Bandhavgarh is just a smaller version of Kanha with less large prey. Both can produce large males but Kanha is going to do so more often.

Although Kanha produces large males more often, I personally like the look of Bandhavgarh tigers the most. Especially the big males from Charger's bloodline.

I think the huge male tiger 'Bheem' (T22) is the perfect depiction of what a Bengal tiger looks like. Charger was a badass looking tiger as well. Reply

[Apex Titan]

(10-24-2023, 01:33 AM)Ashutosh Wrote: @parvez @Apex Titan  look at the males from camera traps of Satpura. You will find they are very impressive.

Satpura male tigers are very impressive indeed, so are males from Tadoba and Pench. Pench has some massive males.

Here is a huge, very powerful looking male from Satpura:

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[Apex Titan]

(10-23-2023, 07:25 PM)parvez Wrote: @Apex Titan Well, Umarpani is much bigger and hence powerful male. Charger was a relatively more smaller tiger compared to massive Umarpani. Though he was pound for pound highly muscled, athletic and invincible in his prime, he will surely loose. What you feel?

I don't know, its very hard to predict. Umarpani was no doubt the bigger and stronger tiger, but Charger had that sheer tenacity, ferocity and looked more athletic. Umarpani also had that tenacity and ferocity, but not as much as Charger. Charger was a extremely ferocious tiger. Both tigers were seemingly invincible in their prime and very battle-tested. But Charger's reign was longer than Umarpani's.

Charger also had those giant sabre-like canines, I think his canines were larger than Umarpani's canines.

Maybe I'll give the slight edge to Umarpani because Charger would basically be fighting a bigger version of himself, and when it comes to fights between predators of the same species, then size usually matters. But who knows. It would have been an epic battle. Reply

[Rage2277]

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[Ashutosh]

@parvez @Apex Titan expanding on my earlier point, there are some familiar males who have been previously posted here like Ravan, R2 - his 3 massive sons (Shiva, Rudra and Pratap), the very big Tarzan. 

Here is another male called Bheemkund male, he has Bokha genes from Bandhavgarh as his mother was translocated to Satpura. You should have seen the size of his uncle (mother’s brother, the massive Singham) who was also translocated but poached later:

Oh what a loss Singham was to the gene pool:


   


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[Apex Titan]

(10-24-2023, 06:31 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:

(10-23-2023, 07:25 PM)parvez Wrote: @Apex Titan Well, Umarpani is much bigger and hence powerful male. Charger was a relatively more smaller tiger compared to massive Umarpani. Though he was pound for pound highly muscled, athletic and invincible in his prime, he will surely loose. What you feel?

I don't know, its very hard to predict. Umarpani was no doubt the bigger and stronger tiger, but Charger had that sheer tenacity, ferocity and looked more athletic. Umarpani also had that tenacity and ferocity, but not as much as Charger. Charger was a extremely ferocious tiger. Both tigers were seemingly invincible in their prime and very battle-tested. But Charger's reign was longer than Umarpani's.

Charger also had those giant sabre-like canines, I think his canines were larger than Umarpani's canines.

Maybe I'll give the slight edge to Umarpani because Charger would basically be fighting a bigger version of himself, and when it comes to fights between predators of the same species, then size usually matters. But who knows. It would have been an epic battle.

@parvez 

Actually, I overlooked Umarpani's history. Charger never had greater tenacity (both had equal amount) than Umarpani. When it comes to sheer tenacity, aggression and relentlessness, Umarpani was one of those tigers at the tip of the spear. 

Charger was more ferocious and aggressive towards people and elephants, but the level of dangerous competition from other big male tigers Umarpani faced and overcame, and the fact that he consistently defeated other huge male tigers and even killed some of these huge males, and the fact that he was practically invincible (like Charger) during his prime and most of his life, speaks volumes about his incredibly lethal fighting prowess, skill, tenacity, strength and power. Reply

[parvez]

(10-25-2023, 05:26 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:

(10-24-2023, 06:31 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:

(10-23-2023, 07:25 PM)parvez Wrote: @Apex Titan Well, Umarpani is much bigger and hence powerful male. Charger was a relatively more smaller tiger compared to massive Umarpani. Though he was pound for pound highly muscled, athletic and invincible in his prime, he will surely loose. What you feel?

I don't know, its very hard to predict. Umarpani was no doubt the bigger and stronger tiger, but Charger had that sheer tenacity, ferocity and looked more athletic. Umarpani also had that tenacity and ferocity, but not as much as Charger. Charger was a extremely ferocious tiger. Both tigers were seemingly invincible in their prime and very battle-tested. But Charger's reign was longer than Umarpani's.

Charger also had those giant sabre-like canines, I think his canines were larger than Umarpani's canines.

Maybe I'll give the slight edge to Umarpani because Charger would basically be fighting a bigger version of himself, and when it comes to fights between predators of the same species, then size usually matters. But who knows. It would have been an epic battle.

@parvez 

Actually, I overlooked Umarpani's history. Charger never had greater tenacity (both had equal amount) than Umarpani. When it comes to sheer tenacity, aggression and relentlessness, Umarpani was one of those tigers at the tip of the spear. 

Charger was more ferocious and aggressive towards people and elephants, but the level of dangerous competition from other big male tigers Umarpani faced and overcame, and the fact that he consistently defeated other huge male tigers and even killed some of these huge males, and the fact that he was practically invincible (like Charger) during his prime and most of his life, speaks volumes about his incredibly lethal fighting prowess, skill, tenacity, strength and power.

Charger was more graceful, aggressive imo. He was an icon feline. Umarpani had proportions and weight advantage. Reply

[anand3690]

Son of Paras and Collarwali in Tadoba Junona buffer, guide told that he made a wild boar kill that day. Collarwali killed a cow and took it to her cubs. Chhota Dhdiyaal made a Gaur calf kill near Junona villege.

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[Roflcopters]

he’s one lucky boy, his parents are super protective too. just within the last 10 days. Collarwali fought Shambhu who came too close to the cubs. Paras on the other hand fought Chota Dadhiyal & Taru the same day. apparently Chota dadhiyal in the morning and Taru in the afternoon. tfs @anand3690 Reply

[anand3690]

(11-08-2023, 02:38 AM)Roflcopters Wrote: he’s one lucky boy, his parents are super protective too. just within the last 10 days. Collarwali fought Shambhu who came too close to the cubs. Paras on the other hand fought Chota Dadhiyal & Taru the same day. apparently Chota dadhiyal in the morning and Taru in the afternoon. tfs @anand3690

Thanks for the update. 

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[Pckts]

Shyam Yadav Kanha
BHAISANGHAT MALE
KTR T46
December 2023
Kanha National park

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