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(07-21-2014, 12:11 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:
(07-20-2014, 11:53 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Some people have said that Ranthambhore has taller tigers, I think most tigers would stack up though. Waghdoh, Raja, Munna etc.. All from different areas and all are very tall. 

Romeo was defeated and ran off by T25, correct?


 



Raja looks to be a tall tiger, but I dont no whether he is as tall as Star male.
When it comes to Waghdoh and Munna, Im pretty sure they are not as tall as Star male.
Ranthambore tigers are similar to Corbett tigers, they are taller and longer.
Madhya pradesh tigers are not that tall or long but very bulky.

T25 entered the territory of Romeo (T6).
The tiger in this video is Star male (T28).

 
Ya, I removed it. I saw Romeo on the title of the video and got confused.

We are talking about cm's difference if any at all, There would be no benefit to one being slightly taller than the other, I think Ranthambhore tigers probably look taller because of their slimmer build. But the infamous pics of Waghdoh walking infront or past the jeep or Raja, are as tall as a tiger can get imo. It would just be to hard to really know the differnce with the naked eye, they would be to close. It's not like comparing body length or girth.
Saturn is said to be tall and Katezari is said to be shorter, when they fought, both where very close in shoulder height, its just Katezari has the bulkier build. I would use that as a example, what do you think?


 
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Can anyone identify these two tigers fighting in Tadoba




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(07-21-2014, 01:12 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:
(07-21-2014, 12:11 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:
(07-20-2014, 11:53 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Some people have said that Ranthambhore has taller tigers, I think most tigers would stack up though. Waghdoh, Raja, Munna etc.. All from different areas and all are very tall. 

Romeo was defeated and ran off by T25, correct?



 



Raja looks to be a tall tiger, but I dont no whether he is as tall as Star male.
When it comes to Waghdoh and Munna, Im pretty sure they are not as tall as Star male.
Ranthambore tigers are similar to Corbett tigers, they are taller and longer.
Madhya pradesh tigers are not that tall or long but very bulky.

T25 entered the territory of Romeo (T6).
The tiger in this video is Star male (T28).


 
Ya, I removed it. I saw Romeo on the title of the video and got confused.

We are talking about cm's difference if any at all, There would be no benefit to one being slightly taller than the other, I think Ranthambhore tigers probably look taller because of their slimmer build. But the infamous pics of Waghdoh walking infront or past the jeep or Raja, are as tall as a tiger can get imo. It would just be to hard to really know the differnce with the naked eye, they would be to close. It's not like comparing body length or girth.
Saturn is said to be tall and Katezari is said to be shorter, when they fought, both where very close in shoulder height, its just Katezari has the bulkier build. I would use that as a example, what do you think?


 

 



Yes the difference will be few cm. 
Im not sure whether there are benefits being taller, but in most of the reserves tigers dont get the chance to interbreed with other reserve tigers.
Tiger in Ranthambore are mostly the descendents of the Machali, X male and Bamboo Ram. These tigers are said to be very big dimensionally (taller and longer), so these offsprings are also big dimensionally.
In general Northern Indian Tigers are taller and longer than Central Indian tigers.


Here is another pic of T28 male tiger


*This image is copyright of its original author




 
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@Apollo , I am not that expert.
I guess, Rofl or Rage are best in recognizing the modern tiger.
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Who was there before Machli? I know Ranthambhore tigers are translocated tigers originally, correct?
I wonder where they where translocated from.

Judging from images I have to say that Ranthambhore tigers appear to be slimmer usually, I don't know if that is the reason for a taller look or not, but when I see other large tigers in front of jeeps or with other wild life, they usually appear to be equally tall. Even the heights and weights I have seen don't seem to change very drastically from area to area, not like they do from sub species to sub species. Its hard to get straight answers from people who have seen both, because there tends to be a pride issue from area to area, people want "their" tigers to be the largest. But from eye witnesses who have allegedly seen multiple tigers, each has a tiger who they claim to be the largest, tallest, heaviest, longest, etc..
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(07-21-2014, 09:35 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Who was there before Machli? I know Ranthambhore tigers are translocated tigers originally, correct?
I wonder where they where translocated from.

Judging from images I have to say that Ranthambhore tigers appear to be slimmer usually, I don't know if that is the reason for a taller look or not, but when I see other large tigers in front of jeeps or with other wild life, they usually appear to be equally tall. Even the heights and weights I have seen don't seem to change very drastically from area to area, not like they do from sub species to sub species. Its hard to get straight answers from people who have seen both, because there tends to be a pride issue from area to area, people want "their" tigers to be the largest. But from eye witnesses who have allegedly seen multiple tigers, each has a tiger who they claim to be the largest, tallest, heaviest, longest, etc..

 


Machli's (T16) mother was also called Machali.
I dont no where they were translocated from.

Here is a nice read on Ranthambore
http://www.dickysingh.com/ranthambhore/

Yes some people show great bias for their favourite tigers and over-exaggerate there potential.
As Roflcopters pointed out on some impossible claims made by certain posters on youtube, orkut etc

But some well experienced people stick to reality. 
Kanwar a reputable person said  that Corbett tigers were also very large like Kaaziranga (I think you posted it).
Some of the people I consider to be reputable told me the same (Northern and Northeastern Bengals were bigger)
Ranthambore tigers were not slim, but appear a bit less bulky than Central Indian tigers.
Even Corbett tigers do appear to be similarly built like Ranthambore tigers.

I like to see the videos where Central Indian tigers appear tall (this is excluding 'Jai', because he is a tall and a very large specimen) like Northern males.
Regarding Saturn and katezari, for me Saturn appeared to be slightly taller with a bigger chest, Katezari looked slightly longer.
Regarding Saturn and Gabbar, Gabbar appeared slightly taller than Saturn.
We can continue this discussion in the "Overrated size of Munna" thread.
I have posted some pics of Munna in that thread, so do have a look. [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]
 
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Conflict between adult tigress (Jhujura female) and a subadult tigress (mahaman's sister)




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(07-22-2014, 12:30 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:
(07-21-2014, 09:35 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Who was there before Machli? I know Ranthambhore tigers are translocated tigers originally, correct?
I wonder where they where translocated from.

Judging from images I have to say that Ranthambhore tigers appear to be slimmer usually, I don't know if that is the reason for a taller look or not, but when I see other large tigers in front of jeeps or with other wild life, they usually appear to be equally tall. Even the heights and weights I have seen don't seem to change very drastically from area to area, not like they do from sub species to sub species. Its hard to get straight answers from people who have seen both, because there tends to be a pride issue from area to area, people want "their" tigers to be the largest. But from eye witnesses who have allegedly seen multiple tigers, each has a tiger who they claim to be the largest, tallest, heaviest, longest, etc..


 


Machli's (T16) mother was also called Machali.
I dont no where they were translocated from.

Here is a nice read on Ranthambore
http://www.dickysingh.com/ranthambhore/

Yes some people show great bias for their favourite tigers and over-exaggerate there potential.
As Roflcopters pointed out on some impossible claims made by certain posters on youtube, orkut etc

But some well experienced people stick to reality. 
Kanwar a reputable person said  that Corbett tigers were also very large like Kaaziranga (I think you posted it).
Some of the people I consider to be reputable told me the same (Northern and Northeastern Bengals were bigger)
Ranthambore tigers were not slim, but appear a bit less bulky than Central Indian tigers.
Even Corbett tigers do appear to be similarly built like Ranthambore tigers.

I like to see the videos where Central Indian tigers appear tall (this is excluding 'Jai', because he is a tall and a very large specimen) like Northern males.
Regarding Saturn and katezari, for me Saturn appeared to be slightly taller with a bigger chest, Katezari looked slightly longer.
Regarding Saturn and Gabbar, Gabbar appeared slightly taller than Saturn.
We can continue this discussion in the "Overrated size of Munna" thread.
I have posted some pics of Munna in that thread, so do have a look. [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]
 

 


I couldn't have said it any better, It's just unfortunate that some people have to lie and over-exaggerate the sizes of their favorite tigers to suit their arguments. This is totally unprofessional and misleading on every points and I think so far, Kunwar Deep Juneja is probably the most reliable and experienced India-wide when it comes to Tiger Reserves.. he claimed kzt023 was the largest male he's ever seen and is keen on his opinion.. and it makes perfect sense because Kaziranga Tigers have caught the attention of many scientists locally and globally. 

My opinion has been firm for years and it goes word by word with scientific studies..



1) Assam, India (Tigers here are noticeably larger than others)
2) Nepal (all regions and National parks)
3) Dudhwa and Corbett (Northern India)
4) Central India (Up for debate)
5) North West India (Sariska, Ranthambore) (up for debate)
6) Southern India (Up for debate)

* left out Bhutan because we don't know much about these tigers..





 
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Isn't bhutan a corridor for tigers?
I don't recall the documentary but it was with Alan (forget his last name) , he was saying that Bhutan could be a tiger land bridge used by many tigers to go to different areas. Have any of you heard of that?

Here are a couple more people and pages to follow for great images and back stories
Nikhil Tambekar- Photographer
Aditya Padhye- Photographer

The Tiger safari
Tadoba Wild Images
Ranthambhore National Park
Tala Camp, Bandhavgarh
Tigers of Kahna

there are more, I just can't think of them atm.

All of these Photographers and pages are on Fb if you want to check them out.
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I think you're talking about  "Lost Land of the Tigers" documentary by Dr. Alan Rabinowitz and you're right. [img]images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

 
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(07-22-2014, 03:10 AM)'Roflcopters' Wrote: I think you're talking about  "Lost Land of the Tigers" documentary by Dr. Alan Rabinowitz and you're right. [img]images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

 

 


Is he still alive, or did he die from his cancer that he had/has?
 
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He's still alive and I wasn't aware of the cancer, that's kind of heartbreaking..

I just saw this

Quote:Wanting to know more about this fascinating man, I did an online search. I was shocked to find out that in late 2001 Rabinowitz was diagnosed with Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia (CLL). There is no cure yet for the disease, but fortunately for Rabinowitz it was diagnosed at an early stage and is a very slowly progressing type of cancer. A decade later, he is still going strong, and the disease doesn’t appear to have slowed down his “wild” lifestyle whatsoever. In a recent interview with Charles Siebert, he said:


Quote:“It’s now ten years since the diagnosis and I’m still only in stage one. Still, not knowing what the future holds, I’ve sped up, not slowed down. There will be no retirement in my life. Forget the second house. Forget everything. I’m going to keep the candle lit at both ends and spend as much time with my wife and my kids as I can when I’m not sick. I want them to know me as much as possible as I still am, as the person I want them to see.”

http://garlicneversleeps.wordpress.com/2...-the-wild/
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He's one of the real heroes for big cats. He's devoted his life in sickness and in health to these cats.
What a selfless man, glad that he is still fighting the good fight.

 
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Nice info guys.
 
@Roflcopters are you able to identify the two tigers fighting in post no:199
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A 280 kg estimate for a tiger of Ranthambore is new to me. Which source estimated X-male?
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