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The Matimba coalition

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We got see both of the Matimba male lions tonight in two separate sightings. We had one in the early afternoon that was vocalizing and moving very slowly through a thicket. He was looking to be in bad shape and very skinny. The other Matimba male was looking much better and was vocalizing non stop , perhaps to find his lost coalition member. Hopefully they will find one another and make a kill.

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A singita ranger asked me about the age of Matimbas... 

I told him no one exactly knows their age. Nobody ever photographed them or filmed them with their native pride. They were first seen in 2009 in Ngala hunting buffalos on regular basis and around 2010 they entered Manyelti and took over their first territory. So considering they took their first territory in 2010, they must have been around like 5 years old. So add that, they will be around like 13/13.5 years old right now.

Same for goes for the Majingilanes.

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(06-06-2018, 05:26 PM)Legendary Wrote: A singita ranger asked me about the age of Matimbas... 

I told him no one exactly knows their age. Nobody ever photographed them or filmed them with their native pride. They were first seen in 2009 in Ngala hunting buffalos on regular basis and around 2010 they entered Manyelti and took over their first territory. So considering they took their first territory in 2010, they must have been around like 5 years old. So add that, they will be around like 13/13.5 years old right now.

Same for goes for the Majingilanes.

Pic of HB and Northern Matimba
their was a post when the Mopogos killed Nukuhmu coalition Blondie! his partner Dozie left the area and went North to establish a territory but was later beat up and displaced by the Matimbas
I think it was 08??
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Dominant Matimba male contemplating crossing the Sand River this morning. 



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(06-06-2018, 08:45 PM)swtlei4u Wrote: I think it was 08??

I think so, or maybe in 2009. 

But the encounter with the Matimba males happened years later, mid 2010 or 2011.
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It looks like Ginger found HB ... and Ginger definitely ate so maybe HB did also ... I really like reading about these two survivors  ...........  I have a question, on FB someone was saying that some of the Mhangeni 9 subs were sired from these 2 studs because at that time the Mhangeni pride was splitting time between the Matimbas and the Majingilane ... could this be true? without a dna test its about impossible but im just wondering if this was documented that the pride was going back and forth playing both sides of the fence and the possibility exsists ... thanks
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Its unlikely that any of these 9 subs are matimba offspring.
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(06-08-2018, 05:13 PM)jordi6927 Wrote: on FB someone was saying that some of the Mhangeni 9 subs were sired from these 2 studs because at that time the Mhangeni pride was splitting time between the Matimbas and the Majingilane ... could this be true?

The Matimbas never spent much time with the Mangheni girls on a plural sense. Some of the females left their territory and went to  mate with them, in the classical way lionesses do when they want to drive the male off and shift his attention, using the false oestrus to get them to follow them.

But as a pride, I never read about all of the females mating with them, while on the other hand as a comparison, we do know that the Majingilane spent time regularly with them, Golden mane especially and Dark mane and Scar nose as well.

And also, the Matimbas never really spent regular time in the eastern part of the sabi sands, outside of Londolozi to make one think they managed to mate enough times with all of them to sire the little ones, all of that without the knowledge of the resident males that spent a lot of time with the Mangheni pride.

It just doesn't make sense, which is why I believe that the Majingilane males are the fathers of the Mangheni kids rather than the Matimba males.
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Mhangeni mated briefly with Matimbas back then. Both in Londolozi and Singita. There are many cliffs of it on instagram. I remember singita Facebook saying both Matimbas and Majingilane have mated with the females. Its not sure who are the fathers...

And it was not clear until lionesses stayed in West and in Majingilane territory. So that was it.

Right now Mhangeni are doing the same mating with both Birmingham’s and Matimbas...

Birmingham’s seem to hesitate to go Singita and Mhangeni coming to Londolozi to mate.
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jordi6927  the 9 mhangenis are majingilane offspring. People  think that matimbas could be the fathers too cause until the middle of 2016 the kambulas and mhangenis were the same pride. Matimbas mated with the new mhangeni  breakways at that time, not the adults. These mhangeni breakways became the kambula pride shortly after that. 
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Hairy Belly has never been seen mating with a female since moving to west...

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