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Talamati/Msutlu Pride
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Msutlu Pride and Gijima males on a giraffe kill (i think its the same giraffe that they hunted some days ago)
Credits to lifeissheedy (03-03-2025, 05:24 AM)Redroadmale Wrote: The gijimas are going to be legends in Sabi sand in the future Hi why do you say that? Is because of many cubs and lionesses they have and are with? I have to say they male lions aggressive male lions, and where they are around Nukhulus in Kruger; with many cubs. Hi would you happen to know how many cubs they have? Southern lions; I have not heard much from them. I know southern lioness had two Ndhzenga daughters and two Gijima daughters. I do not know how many cubs the two Ndhzenga daughters had. Four Talamatie daughters had seven cubs. Did the Talamatie lionesses had more cubs? Styxt lionesses I am not sure how many cubs. Also I am not sure if all three young Styxt lionesses had cubs, and older Styxt lionesses may have more cubs, but the Birmingham daughter was with Nukhulus. 
Its more about how they took on and held their own againt two coalitions much bigger than they were.
Not everything is about cubs. 
If DM's limp doesn't slow him down and they can keep going strong they'll likely have one of the biggest legacy of any duos in the reserve.
(03-03-2025, 09:44 PM)Mapokser Wrote: If DM's limp doesn't slow him down and they can keep going strong they'll likely have one of the biggest legacy of any duos in the reserve. Certainly, they have many vulnerable cubs to defend! I think that's why so much concern for DM Gijima. An account of their currently surviving offspring, which may be fewer due to the decreasing survival rate as they grow: Msuthlu pride (4 adult females) = 10 cubs - 7 cubs around born in late 2023/early 2024 (3 litters) - 3 cubs around born in mid 2024(1 litter) Styx pride (4 adult females)= 7 cubs - 3 cubs born in mid 2024 (1 litter) - 4 cubs born in late 2024 (1 litter) Southern pride (3 adult females) = 7 cubs - 2 cubs born in early 2023 (1 litter) - they are the oldest Gijima offspring. - 5 cubs born in early 2024 (2 litters) In sum:
(03-04-2025, 05:52 AM)FACR2212 Wrote:(03-03-2025, 09:44 PM)Mapokser Wrote: If DM's limp doesn't slow him down and they can keep going strong they'll likely have one of the biggest legacy of any duos in the reserve. Interesting 22 cubs. Ndhzenga with more. Ndhzenga 12 in Kambula pride, and 3 in Nestuvo pride, 3 recently born in Kambula. 4 Styxt, 2 southern lionesses. Is interesting. Gijima male lion as two may have more cubs than other male lions. Ndzehenga male lions cubs are also brothers it is still very good Kambula lionesses and Ndzhenga male lions are very successful. I enjoy them. Gijima male lions if successful may have more cubs.  (03-04-2025, 06:27 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote:(03-04-2025, 05:52 AM)FACR2212 Wrote:(03-03-2025, 09:44 PM)Mapokser Wrote: If DM's limp doesn't slow him down and they can keep going strong they'll likely have one of the biggest legacy of any duos in the reserve. Ndzengas had a rough initial start w their litters w Kambulas...lost several litters at once (up to 11 cubs) so it was actually their second and 3rd wave of cubs/litters that we are seeing now. this is almost a carbon copy of the Birminghams....same thing happened with their initial litters....mange and leopard wreacked havoc. 
Yes remember they lost 3 adult females still have no idea what happened to them and one of those females had 5 sons
(03-04-2025, 07:19 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Yes remember they lost 3 adult females still have no idea what happened to them and one of those females had 5 sons Yeah, I remember the mention of 5 male cubs litter, but even if they didn't lose their mother so early on, such a litter is not easy to brought up, hard to feed them all as they grow up, especially considering the pride turned out to had so many male cubs on top of that (although these 5 would likely be among the older cubs across all pride litters and benefit from that). The idea of potential coalition of 5 littermates who would could (have better chances to) be well bonded is certainly interesting to entertain specially in an area where we could follow their story quite well through regular updates. But in reality we would mix them up with all the other cubs anyway, maybe ex post some specialist around here could tell who is who based on whisker spots :) I believe back then the disapperance of the females coincided with floods on the Sand river that iirc playeed a role As for Gijimas, they entered the scene out of nowhere and while picking sides is a flawed approach they for sure didn't make many fans by mabushing Ubuso and being subsequently routed - although this head on approach without long mustering of confidence to do something was quite refreshing on its own. Since then though what's not to like: they took over the Southern female tolerating her sub adults daughters enabling the Southern pride to thrive, got lucky with vacant prides and Msuthlus coming to them, so they didn't have to get messy in takeovers (I'm not even sure they killed any lions, if we don't count shortening Ubuso's life through injuries sustained), they are confident, brave even, as duo they carved their place next to coalition of 4 and subsequently protected it against coaliting of 5-7 (with their own setbacks, but still), seems good to cubs, have a distinctive looks, matured into good looking specimens and as seemingly unrelated to local population sired numerous progeny to enrich the local gen pool. Granted their cubs still have a long way ahead of them, but they seems to be doing their job protecting really well so far. So far it's a story of success. They might have had luck on their side at times, but they did well with the situation presented to them. The only issue is their prides being bit too close to each other leading to friction and occasional casualties, but that's not really on them. For some there might be a bonus of (some of) their cubs showing their facial features. Now I realize I'm mostly OT here, so I stop, sorry :) (03-05-2025, 11:49 PM)RookiePundit Wrote:(03-04-2025, 07:19 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Yes remember they lost 3 adult females still have no idea what happened to them and one of those females had 5 sons I’m not sure how much older but those 5 males where but they would’ve been the oldest cubs and depending on if other females gave birth after her she might’ve raised them alone but the gijimas have killed a few Styx subadults but it was most likely the nhkulus  (03-05-2025, 11:49 PM)RookiePundit Wrote:(03-04-2025, 07:19 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Yes remember they lost 3 adult females still have no idea what happened to them and one of those females had 5 sons I don't necessarily want to extend this convo too much as this is the wrong thread for a lot of these comments, but I highly disagree with the Gijimas being 'lucky' with vacant prides, just like the same was originally said about N.Avocas. Did it help that both Gijimas and N.Avocas come into a situation where prides were being less defended by their resident males than usual, ofc, it was likely even the reason they were targeted in the first place. Well, Gijimas did first come onto the scene when Ndzengas were still down south, but them leaving for Kambula Pride would've been a major reason they ended up taking over as fast as they did. They were a major reason Ndzengas never come back for good too, lets not forget that. These aren't necessarily the most impressive kind of takeovers, but make no mistake they still are takeovers, atleast to me. They accepted majority of the subadults from both Southern and Styx Prides, which they didn't have to do, and if they didn't it's very likely they would've lost atleast one of them for good, being on the run and all, which Styx Pride initially started doing moving North. Then u have Talamatis who were either with or around multiple coalitions like PCMs, Ndzengas, BDMs, Kambulas or even solo males like S8 and Skorro Orpen to some extent, all trying to takeover and majority of them mating with atleast one female, it's not by luck Gijimas won them over, whether they were impressed by the duo themselves or the area they controlled, idk, but they never linked up with any other males after they were established with Gijimas, showing their commitment to them. These guys are just simply as @Tr1x24 loves to say 'built different,' and have been the most active lions defending their territory aside from the fact they have zero confirmed kills since becoming dominant and like u said have done really well with their situation.
I mean it is lucky to be honest BUT I think they where already hanging out in the southern part of Ndhzenga territory it’s just after 3/4 went to mate with kambula girls gore stayed behind they found him alone chased him north found uboso beat him up and then they got chased south but the ndzengas where already on the process of leaving the south and the avoca just came into a territory they was left by the Birminghams even tho they came back to chase them thats just how things are lions are opportunist
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