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Talamati/Msutlu Pride

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(09-02-2023, 09:18 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
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Gijima males were mating with one of the Talamati lionesses, would be the wrong move imo. Unless the Talamatis were to move South, they’d have no support for the cubs surrounded by coalitions, no way the cubs survive. Even if they were to move South, u still have the NSW males along with the 4 Kambula young males and no doubt part of their territory would intercept with the Mhangeni pride controlled by the PCMs. There’s too much competition in Sabi Sands rn to have cubs with absent fathers.

Unless they've abandoned the Southern Pride, and if that is the case it'd be even more disastrous, imo.
If that happens and the four bboys sons swooshes in to claim the southern pride then it isnt too bad but then personally i dont want that to happen because my current two favorite biggest coalitions will eventually clash

The two sub females, that the Gijima have allowed to stay, may not be so lucky with other new males, they still aren't old enough to procreate to date. If that happened, the pride could essentially be down to the remaining older female again, and that would absolutely be a disaster imo.
Wait the Southern Pride has 3 females and only one of them is old enough to mate with?

The two daughters are now three years old and should soon enter estrus.

LOL, I actually responded to him in the Sabi Sands thread. But, I did not know they were three already, I thought they were closer to 2.5, so thank you for that clarification @criollo2mil, my friend!
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(09-02-2023, 09:18 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
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Gijima males were mating with one of the Talamati lionesses, would be the wrong move imo. Unless the Talamatis were to move South, they’d have no support for the cubs surrounded by coalitions, no way the cubs survive. Even if they were to move South, u still have the NSW males along with the 4 Kambula young males and no doubt part of their territory would intercept with the Mhangeni pride controlled by the PCMs. There’s too much competition in Sabi Sands rn to have cubs with absent fathers.

Unless they've abandoned the Southern Pride, and if that is the case it'd be even more disastrous, imo.
If that happens and the four bboys sons swooshes in to claim the southern pride then it isnt too bad but then personally i dont want that to happen because my current two favorite biggest coalitions will eventually clash

The two sub females, that the Gijima have allowed to stay, may not be so lucky with other new males, they still aren't old enough to procreate to date. If that happened, the pride could essentially be down to the remaining older female again, and that would absolutely be a disaster imo.
Wait the Southern Pride has 3 females and only one of them is old enough to mate with?

The two daughters are now three years old and should soon enter estrus.
Preciate it, always seems to be very little info available when it comes to Southern Sabi Sands.
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(09-02-2023, 09:21 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
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(09-02-2023, 08:51 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:05 AM)Robot00 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 04:37 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 04:05 AM)KM600 Wrote:



Gijima males were mating with one of the Talamati lionesses, would be the wrong move imo. Unless the Talamatis were to move South, they’d have no support for the cubs surrounded by coalitions, no way the cubs survive. Even if they were to move South, u still have the NSW males along with the 4 Kambula young males and no doubt part of their territory would intercept with the Mhangeni pride controlled by the PCMs. There’s too much competition in Sabi Sands rn to have cubs with absent fathers.

Unless they've abandoned the Southern Pride, and if that is the case it'd be even more disastrous, imo.
If that happens and the four bboys sons swooshes in to claim the southern pride then it isnt too bad but then personally i dont want that to happen because my current two favorite biggest coalitions will eventually clash

The two sub females, that the Gijima have allowed to stay, may not be so lucky with other new males, they still aren't old enough to procreate to date. If that happened, the pride could essentially be down to the remaining older female again, and that would absolutely be a disaster imo.
Wait the Southern Pride has 3 females and only one of them is old enough to mate with?

The two daughters are now three years old and should soon enter estrus.

LOL, I actually responded to him in the Sabi Sands thread. But, I did not know they were three already, I thought they were closer to 2.5, so thank you for that clarification @criollo2mil, my friend!

Yes,,,born August 2020 it’s amazing how fast time has flown by!
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(09-03-2023, 05:11 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 09:21 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 09:18 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:56 AM)KM600 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:51 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:05 AM)Robot00 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 04:37 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 04:05 AM)KM600 Wrote:



Gijima males were mating with one of the Talamati lionesses, would be the wrong move imo. Unless the Talamatis were to move South, they’d have no support for the cubs surrounded by coalitions, no way the cubs survive. Even if they were to move South, u still have the NSW males along with the 4 Kambula young males and no doubt part of their territory would intercept with the Mhangeni pride controlled by the PCMs. There’s too much competition in Sabi Sands rn to have cubs with absent fathers.

Unless they've abandoned the Southern Pride, and if that is the case it'd be even more disastrous, imo.
If that happens and the four bboys sons swooshes in to claim the southern pride then it isnt too bad but then personally i dont want that to happen because my current two favorite biggest coalitions will eventually clash

The two sub females, that the Gijima have allowed to stay, may not be so lucky with other new males, they still aren't old enough to procreate to date. If that happened, the pride could essentially be down to the remaining older female again, and that would absolutely be a disaster imo.
Wait the Southern Pride has 3 females and only one of them is old enough to mate with?

The two daughters are now three years old and should soon enter estrus.

LOL, I actually responded to him in the Sabi Sands thread. But, I did not know they were three already, I thought they were closer to 2.5, so thank you for that clarification @criollo2mil, my friend!

Yes,,,born August 2020 it’s amazing how fast time has flown by!

It is indeed, especially when it comes to the two SP girls. When were the two Othawas born? Surely they are getting close to 3 as well, they were around 18 months when Sassy passed, and that was roughly a year and a half ago, I believe.
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(09-03-2023, 06:05 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-03-2023, 05:11 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 09:21 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 09:18 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:56 AM)KM600 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:51 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:05 AM)Robot00 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 04:37 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 04:05 AM)KM600 Wrote:



Gijima males were mating with one of the Talamati lionesses, would be the wrong move imo. Unless the Talamatis were to move South, they’d have no support for the cubs surrounded by coalitions, no way the cubs survive. Even if they were to move South, u still have the NSW males along with the 4 Kambula young males and no doubt part of their territory would intercept with the Mhangeni pride controlled by the PCMs. There’s too much competition in Sabi Sands rn to have cubs with absent fathers.

Unless they've abandoned the Southern Pride, and if that is the case it'd be even more disastrous, imo.
If that happens and the four bboys sons swooshes in to claim the southern pride then it isnt too bad but then personally i dont want that to happen because my current two favorite biggest coalitions will eventually clash

The two sub females, that the Gijima have allowed to stay, may not be so lucky with other new males, they still aren't old enough to procreate to date. If that happened, the pride could essentially be down to the remaining older female again, and that would absolutely be a disaster imo.
Wait the Southern Pride has 3 females and only one of them is old enough to mate with?

The two daughters are now three years old and should soon enter estrus.

LOL, I actually responded to him in the Sabi Sands thread. But, I did not know they were three already, I thought they were closer to 2.5, so thank you for that clarification @criollo2mil, my friend!

Yes,,,born August 2020 it’s amazing how fast time has flown by!

It is indeed, especially when it comes to the two SP girls. When were the two Othawas born? Surely they are getting close to 3 as well, they were around 18 months when Sassy passed, and that was roughly a year and a half ago, I believe.

The Othowas turn 3 in March. I’m so praying the time flies for them also.
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(09-03-2023, 06:23 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(09-03-2023, 06:05 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-03-2023, 05:11 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 09:21 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 09:18 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:56 AM)KM600 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:51 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:05 AM)Robot00 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 04:37 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 04:05 AM)KM600 Wrote:



Gijima males were mating with one of the Talamati lionesses, would be the wrong move imo. Unless the Talamatis were to move South, they’d have no support for the cubs surrounded by coalitions, no way the cubs survive. Even if they were to move South, u still have the NSW males along with the 4 Kambula young males and no doubt part of their territory would intercept with the Mhangeni pride controlled by the PCMs. There’s too much competition in Sabi Sands rn to have cubs with absent fathers.

Unless they've abandoned the Southern Pride, and if that is the case it'd be even more disastrous, imo.
If that happens and the four bboys sons swooshes in to claim the southern pride then it isnt too bad but then personally i dont want that to happen because my current two favorite biggest coalitions will eventually clash

The two sub females, that the Gijima have allowed to stay, may not be so lucky with other new males, they still aren't old enough to procreate to date. If that happened, the pride could essentially be down to the remaining older female again, and that would absolutely be a disaster imo.
Wait the Southern Pride has 3 females and only one of them is old enough to mate with?

The two daughters are now three years old and should soon enter estrus.

LOL, I actually responded to him in the Sabi Sands thread. But, I did not know they were three already, I thought they were closer to 2.5, so thank you for that clarification @criollo2mil, my friend!

Yes,,,born August 2020 it’s amazing how fast time has flown by!

It is indeed, especially when it comes to the two SP girls. When were the two Othawas born? Surely they are getting close to 3 as well, they were around 18 months when Sassy passed, and that was roughly a year and a half ago, I believe.

The Othowas turn 3 in March.  I’m so praying the time flies for them also.

Thank you brother!
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I think way earlier on the thread there’s a clip of both southern pride daughters mating with both Gijima males. They were just barely two and the thinking was it’s a pseudo estrus to help protect them from new males. Video is entertaining as both brothers gijima/southern daughters are mirroring each other.
But yes the gijima have mated with the 3 southern pride lionesses but the younger ones are not quite old enough to be fertile.

Ver very happy for southern lioness…one of the few lone lionesses that are successful in rebuilding the pride.
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(09-03-2023, 06:23 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(09-03-2023, 06:05 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-03-2023, 05:11 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 09:21 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 09:18 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:56 AM)KM600 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:51 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:05 AM)Robot00 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 04:37 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 04:05 AM)KM600 Wrote:



Gijima males were mating with one of the Talamati lionesses, would be the wrong move imo. Unless the Talamatis were to move South, they’d have no support for the cubs surrounded by coalitions, no way the cubs survive. Even if they were to move South, u still have the NSW males along with the 4 Kambula young males and no doubt part of their territory would intercept with the Mhangeni pride controlled by the PCMs. There’s too much competition in Sabi Sands rn to have cubs with absent fathers.

Unless they've abandoned the Southern Pride, and if that is the case it'd be even more disastrous, imo.
If that happens and the four bboys sons swooshes in to claim the southern pride then it isnt too bad but then personally i dont want that to happen because my current two favorite biggest coalitions will eventually clash

The two sub females, that the Gijima have allowed to stay, may not be so lucky with other new males, they still aren't old enough to procreate to date. If that happened, the pride could essentially be down to the remaining older female again, and that would absolutely be a disaster imo.
Wait the Southern Pride has 3 females and only one of them is old enough to mate with?

The two daughters are now three years old and should soon enter estrus.

LOL, I actually responded to him in the Sabi Sands thread. But, I did not know they were three already, I thought they were closer to 2.5, so thank you for that clarification @criollo2mil, my friend!

Yes,,,born August 2020 it’s amazing how fast time has flown by!

It is indeed, especially when it comes to the two SP girls. When were the two Othawas born? Surely they are getting close to 3 as well, they were around 18 months when Sassy passed, and that was roughly a year and a half ago, I believe.

The Othowas turn 3 in March.  I’m so praying the time flies for them also.

Speaking of them where were they last seen? Haven't seen them in ages, not since they were chased by Mangheni again.
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(09-02-2023, 08:51 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(09-02-2023, 08:05 AM)Robot00 Wrote: If that happens and the four bboys sons swooshes in to claim the southern pride then it isnt too bad but then personally i dont want that to happen because my current two favorite biggest coalitions will eventually clash

The two sub females, that the Gijima have allowed to stay, may not be so lucky with other new males, they still aren't old enough to procreate to date. If that happened, the pride could essentially be down to the remaining older female again, and that would absolutely be a disaster imo.
Wait the Southern Pride has 3 females and only one of them is old enough to mate with?

The two daughters are now three years old and should soon enter estrus.

LOL, I actually responded to him in the Sabi Sands thread. But, I did not know they were three already, I thought they were closer to 2.5, so thank you for that clarification @criollo2mil, my friend!

Yes,,,born August 2020 it’s amazing how fast time has flown by!

It is indeed, especially when it comes to the two SP girls. When were the two Othawas born? Surely they are getting close to 3 as well, they were around 18 months when Sassy passed, and that was roughly a year and a half ago, I believe.

The Othowas turn 3 in March.  I’m so praying the time flies for them also.

Speaking of them where were they last seen? Haven't seen them in ages, not since they were chased by Mangheni again.


Jason Street (jasoncstreet IG) and Sabi Sabi PGR both posted about them back on the 23rd of August. They were all on a buffalo kill.

I think @Mapokser means the Othowas. They were seen this week. I will post some pics in their threat today of that sighting.
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(09-02-2023, 08:51 AM)BA0701 Wrote: The two sub females, that the Gijima have allowed to stay, may not be so lucky with other new males, they still aren't old enough to procreate to date. If that happened, the pride could essentially be down to the remaining older female again, and that would absolutely be a disaster imo.
Wait the Southern Pride has 3 females and only one of them is old enough to mate with?

The two daughters are now three years old and should soon enter estrus.

LOL, I actually responded to him in the Sabi Sands thread. But, I did not know they were three already, I thought they were closer to 2.5, so thank you for that clarification @criollo2mil, my friend!

Yes,,,born August 2020 it’s amazing how fast time has flown by!

It is indeed, especially when it comes to the two SP girls. When were the two Othawas born? Surely they are getting close to 3 as well, they were around 18 months when Sassy passed, and that was roughly a year and a half ago, I believe.

The Othowas turn 3 in March.  I’m so praying the time flies for them also.

Speaking of them where were they last seen? Haven't seen them in ages, not since they were chased by Mangheni again.


Jason Street (jasoncstreet IG) and Sabi Sabi PGR both posted about them back on the 23rd of August. They were all on a buffalo kill.

I think @Mapokser means the Othowas.    They were seen this week.    I will post some pics in their threat today of that sighting.


Ah, my bad. Leopard Hills posted a clip of them five days ago but not sure if it was a recent sighting or from a while back.
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I hope they don't spread themselves too thin, for their sake and the sake of their prides.
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"The 4 Talamati females have been split with 1 mating with the Gijima males. The 4th female joined up with the rest of the pride who were found with full bellies accompanied, by the Nkuhuma male. The females are reluctant to allow the Nkuhuma male too close"


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