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Hello, I’m new here(I’ve actually been looking at this place for a while now) and decided to post here with a size comparison between several Cougar and Leopard populations.
Now there are going to be some flaws so I would appreciate if you guys can give some tips for making size comparisons, as I plan to make some more in the future
(02-26-2022, 12:54 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: As far as I remember the message with the info included (Kirby 1899) just after the measurent of this 345 mm skull for the lioness. So I hypothetically guess this skull measurement has as source Kirby 1899.
Now you're far more experienced than me in searching for sources on the internet and tracking down original papers so tell me if you can find anything regarding this source of Kirby.
I was checking Kirby (1899) but honestly I did not found any lioness skull in his book of 1896. I also checked in the book of Bryden (1899) "Great and Small Game of Africa", specificaly in chapter about the lion (page 545) writen by Kirby and also he did not mention any skull from females.
In Rowland Ward records of big game from 1914 there is a huge skull reported as "female" with a GSL of 358.8 mm (sic!) which seems to be an obvious exageration, specialy by the fact that the zygomatic wide is only 222.2 mm (small for such a total length reported); interestingly the source of the skull is Vaughan Kirby, according with Ward.
Just for comparison, the biggest lioness measured by Stevenson Hamilton was an specimen of 317.5 X 203.2 mm (GSL X ZW); the widest is a skull of 219.1 mm.
From the large table of Roberts, the most reliable one on lion skull measurest that I have saw, the largest skull from a female measured 333 X 203 mm, and the widest was of 212 mm, both from Kruger.
Finally Hartstone-Rose et al. (2014), from a sample of 23 female lions (9 captive and 14 wild) it shows that the biggest captive one measured 330.5 X 234.1 mm while the biggest wild is of 311.3 X 204.5 mm. They also mention a "female" with a skull of 372.8 X 249.2 mm, but is obviously from a male.
In Figure 3 on the third last page, the longest lioness skull is 37 cm despite having a skull width of only 22 cm. I'm not sure if that is in centimeters (cm). Do you think there is an error?
(12-01-2023, 07:51 AM)SpinosaurusA you did a great size comparison just one thing biggest leopard is smaller than biggest cougar in this image so make leopard bigger as his weight is more Wrote:
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Hello, I’m new here(I’ve actually been looking at this place for a while now) and decided to post here with a size comparison between several Cougar and Leopard populations.
Now there are going to be some flaws so I would appreciate if you guys can give some tips for making size comparisons, as I plan to make some more in the future
@johnny rex The Mangheni Breakaway females ( 6 original Kambula/Ntsevu lionesses ) are huge, even big males struggle to look impressive next to them, and the Matshipiri males weren't big.
10-18-2024, 11:21 AM( This post was last modified: 7 hours ago by Hello )
(10-17-2024, 10:10 AM)johnny rex Wrote:
(10-09-2024, 09:03 PM)Hello Wrote: Hasani, 255 kg in prime, now close to 227 kgs, 109 cms at shoulder
Credits: Houston zoo
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Is he a Kruger lion?
I heard Aslan the lion from the Norway zoo is a mix between a Kenyan lion and a Kruger lioness, is that true?
He is southern African. Some of his great grandparents are from Kapama as per studbook online, while other grandparents of unknown origin I.e anywhere from Southern Africa, could be South Africa, botswana (Kgalagadi region). I'm not sure what lions are in Kapama private reserve, but one thing is sure that they are from southern Africa (Namibia, Botswana, Kgalagadi region, South Africa). There are many private reserves in south Africa, For instance Madikwe, Tembe elephant park, Marataba reserve, Kwandwe reserve and Pilanesberg have lions originally from Etosha, Namibia. Phinda reserve have original stock from Kruger, later mixed with Madikwe lineage, Addo have lions from Kgalagadi region.
No, Aslan is a Generic lion but he have east African, Southern African , Sudanese blood and other genes .The history goes back to UK, where in 60's already pre existing generic lions were mixed with lions from Uganda imported by Jimmy Chipperfield, later they are mixed with southern African and from other parts of Africa. Aslan's father and mother are generic lions and so are his great grandparents. Only pure in Europe are Indian lions and Etosha lions of Basel zoo, Switzerland. Ouwehands had tawny Timbavati/South African lions
11-03-2024, 08:13 PM( This post was last modified: 11-04-2024, 01:29 PM by Hello )
@johnny rex Kapama has stock from Kruger, later etosha lions and other lions from southern Africa introduced. So yes Hasani has some Kruger blood. AZA zoos or public zoo in US and a very few AZA accredited/public zoos in Canada and Mexico have southern African lions, while private facilities or rescue centers in US have generic lions.
