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(06-02-2019, 03:49 AM)Luipaard Wrote: New video footage of an impressive male. The uploader doesn't seem familiar with leopards though. Thinking it's in love with its own reflection while it's actually acting territorial becouse the leopard thinks the reflection is a potentional rival.
Here's a screenshot of his massive skull. Another example of these males being large and robust, with large skulls:
*This image is copyright of its original author
That uploader is the guy who has put those mirrors there in the jungle and has studied many many years leopards in the jungle. If you look closer you find other videos too. So he knows something about leopards for sure :)
I'm aware that he put those mirrors there, including the camera's. But for real:
"This leopard stayed almost three full days near a mirror (day, night, sun, rain), rubbing against its reflection, drooling and purring, signs of happiness in this feline. It is amazing that he is looking for company while genetically, unlike lions living in troops, leopards are programmed to live alone."
Again, he does not know what he's talking about. He's just a photographer.
"Just a photographer" who has observed leopards and other animals in Africa for years. Have you ever thought, that he might make headlines to videos with a sense of humor? Have you read his comments or discussed with him in his threads? I wouldn´t say, that he doesn´t know what he is talking about, when reading some of his comments. When someone(s) uses years there in Africa they tend to learn a lot. He might know more about leopards there than people here combined and could maybe tell a lot about many things he has seen there. Or have you maybe already discussed with him and got feeling, that he knows nothing about leopards/animals he is filming?
(06-02-2019, 03:49 AM)Luipaard Wrote: New video footage of an impressive male. The uploader doesn't seem familiar with leopards though. Thinking it's in love with its own reflection while it's actually acting territorial becouse the leopard thinks the reflection is a potentional rival.
Here's a screenshot of his massive skull. Another example of these males being large and robust, with large skulls:
*This image is copyright of its original author
That uploader is the guy who has put those mirrors there in the jungle and has studied many many years leopards in the jungle. If you look closer you find other videos too. So he knows something about leopards for sure :)
I'm aware that he put those mirrors there, including the camera's. But for real:
"This leopard stayed almost three full days near a mirror (day, night, sun, rain), rubbing against its reflection, drooling and purring, signs of happiness in this feline. It is amazing that he is looking for company while genetically, unlike lions living in troops, leopards are programmed to live alone."
Again, he does not know what he's talking about. He's just a photographer.
"Just a photographer" who has observed leopards and other animals in Africa for years. Have you ever thought, that he might make headlines to videos with a sense of humor? Have you read his comments or discussed with him in his threads? I wouldn´t say, that he doesn´t know what he is talking about, when reading some of his comments. When someone(s) uses years there in Africa they tend to learn a lot. He might know more about leopards there than people here combined and could maybe tell a lot about many things he has seen there. Or have you maybe already discussed with him and got feeling, that he knows nothing about leopards/animals he is filming?
The uploader is a videographer by profession not a zoologist. I actually came across with someone who helped him identify the leopards in that region a few years ago.
Also, it's not a humerous title or headline, it's literally how he described it: "This leopard stayed almost three full days near a mirror (day, night, sun, rain), rubbing against its reflection, drooling and purring, signs of happiness in this feline. It is amazing that he is looking for company while genetically, unlike lions living in troops, leopards are programmed to live alone."
06-02-2019, 02:56 PM( This post was last modified: 06-02-2019, 03:13 PM by Shadow )
(06-02-2019, 02:07 PM)Luipaard Wrote:
(06-02-2019, 08:42 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(06-02-2019, 04:36 AM)Luipaard Wrote:
(06-02-2019, 03:59 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(06-02-2019, 03:49 AM)Luipaard Wrote: New video footage of an impressive male. The uploader doesn't seem familiar with leopards though. Thinking it's in love with its own reflection while it's actually acting territorial becouse the leopard thinks the reflection is a potentional rival.
Here's a screenshot of his massive skull. Another example of these males being large and robust, with large skulls:
*This image is copyright of its original author
That uploader is the guy who has put those mirrors there in the jungle and has studied many many years leopards in the jungle. If you look closer you find other videos too. So he knows something about leopards for sure :)
I'm aware that he put those mirrors there, including the camera's. But for real:
"This leopard stayed almost three full days near a mirror (day, night, sun, rain), rubbing against its reflection, drooling and purring, signs of happiness in this feline. It is amazing that he is looking for company while genetically, unlike lions living in troops, leopards are programmed to live alone."
Again, he does not know what he's talking about. He's just a photographer.
"Just a photographer" who has observed leopards and other animals in Africa for years. Have you ever thought, that he might make headlines to videos with a sense of humor? Have you read his comments or discussed with him in his threads? I wouldn´t say, that he doesn´t know what he is talking about, when reading some of his comments. When someone(s) uses years there in Africa they tend to learn a lot. He might know more about leopards there than people here combined and could maybe tell a lot about many things he has seen there. Or have you maybe already discussed with him and got feeling, that he knows nothing about leopards/animals he is filming?
The uploader is a videographer by profession not a zoologist. I actually came across with someone who helped him identify the leopards in that region a few years ago.
Also, it's not a humerous title or headline, it's literally how he described it: "This leopard stayed almost three full days near a mirror (day, night, sun, rain), rubbing against its reflection, drooling and purring, signs of happiness in this feline. It is amazing that he is looking for company while genetically, unlike lions living in troops, leopards are programmed to live alone."
My point is, that are you zoologist? Not many are after all, but they can still be interested about animals and know a lot. When this guy with family have spent years filming these animals, logical thing to think is, that they have spent hours and hours talking to locals, to zoologists etc. Headlines can be criticized but if you are interested about those leopards, maybe you should try to discuss with this man before saying, that he knows nothing. Think about it, he has filmed animals there many years, would it be possible to do so, that learning nothing about animals? He can have that kind of first hand experiences what many here can only dream about.
06-02-2019, 03:21 PM( This post was last modified: 06-02-2019, 03:21 PM by Luipaard )
(06-02-2019, 02:56 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(06-02-2019, 02:07 PM)Luipaard Wrote:
(06-02-2019, 08:42 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(06-02-2019, 04:36 AM)Luipaard Wrote:
(06-02-2019, 03:59 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(06-02-2019, 03:49 AM)Luipaard Wrote: New video footage of an impressive male. The uploader doesn't seem familiar with leopards though. Thinking it's in love with its own reflection while it's actually acting territorial becouse the leopard thinks the reflection is a potentional rival.
Here's a screenshot of his massive skull. Another example of these males being large and robust, with large skulls:
*This image is copyright of its original author
That uploader is the guy who has put those mirrors there in the jungle and has studied many many years leopards in the jungle. If you look closer you find other videos too. So he knows something about leopards for sure :)
I'm aware that he put those mirrors there, including the camera's. But for real:
"This leopard stayed almost three full days near a mirror (day, night, sun, rain), rubbing against its reflection, drooling and purring, signs of happiness in this feline. It is amazing that he is looking for company while genetically, unlike lions living in troops, leopards are programmed to live alone."
Again, he does not know what he's talking about. He's just a photographer.
"Just a photographer" who has observed leopards and other animals in Africa for years. Have you ever thought, that he might make headlines to videos with a sense of humor? Have you read his comments or discussed with him in his threads? I wouldn´t say, that he doesn´t know what he is talking about, when reading some of his comments. When someone(s) uses years there in Africa they tend to learn a lot. He might know more about leopards there than people here combined and could maybe tell a lot about many things he has seen there. Or have you maybe already discussed with him and got feeling, that he knows nothing about leopards/animals he is filming?
The uploader is a videographer by profession not a zoologist. I actually came across with someone who helped him identify the leopards in that region a few years ago.
Also, it's not a humerous title or headline, it's literally how he described it: "This leopard stayed almost three full days near a mirror (day, night, sun, rain), rubbing against its reflection, drooling and purring, signs of happiness in this feline. It is amazing that he is looking for company while genetically, unlike lions living in troops, leopards are programmed to live alone."
My point is, that are you zoologist? Not many are after all, but they can still be interested about animals and know a lot. When this guy with family have spent years filming these animals, logical thing to think is, that they have spent hours and hours talking to locals, to zoologists etc. Headlines can be criticized but if you are interested about those leopards, maybe you should try to discuss with this man before saying, that he knows nothing. Think about it, he has filmed animals there many years, would it be possible to do so, that learning nothing about animals? He can have that kind of first hand experiences what many here can only dream about.
I don't need to be zoologist to be aware that leopards do not 'look for company' or are in love with iself, let alone be narcissistic. The leopard was being territorial, nothing more, nothing less. So yes, he doesn't know what he is talking about.
(06-02-2019, 03:49 AM)Luipaard Wrote: New video footage of an impressive male. The uploader doesn't seem familiar with leopards though. Thinking it's in love with its own reflection while it's actually acting territorial becouse the leopard thinks the reflection is a potentional rival.
Here's a screenshot of his massive skull. Another example of these males being large and robust, with large skulls:
*This image is copyright of its original author
That uploader is the guy who has put those mirrors there in the jungle and has studied many many years leopards in the jungle. If you look closer you find other videos too. So he knows something about leopards for sure :)
I'm aware that he put those mirrors there, including the camera's. But for real:
"This leopard stayed almost three full days near a mirror (day, night, sun, rain), rubbing against its reflection, drooling and purring, signs of happiness in this feline. It is amazing that he is looking for company while genetically, unlike lions living in troops, leopards are programmed to live alone."
Again, he does not know what he's talking about. He's just a photographer.
"Just a photographer" who has observed leopards and other animals in Africa for years. Have you ever thought, that he might make headlines to videos with a sense of humor? Have you read his comments or discussed with him in his threads? I wouldn´t say, that he doesn´t know what he is talking about, when reading some of his comments. When someone(s) uses years there in Africa they tend to learn a lot. He might know more about leopards there than people here combined and could maybe tell a lot about many things he has seen there. Or have you maybe already discussed with him and got feeling, that he knows nothing about leopards/animals he is filming?
The uploader is a videographer by profession not a zoologist. I actually came across with someone who helped him identify the leopards in that region a few years ago.
Also, it's not a humerous title or headline, it's literally how he described it: "This leopard stayed almost three full days near a mirror (day, night, sun, rain), rubbing against its reflection, drooling and purring, signs of happiness in this feline. It is amazing that he is looking for company while genetically, unlike lions living in troops, leopards are programmed to live alone."
My point is, that are you zoologist? Not many are after all, but they can still be interested about animals and know a lot. When this guy with family have spent years filming these animals, logical thing to think is, that they have spent hours and hours talking to locals, to zoologists etc. Headlines can be criticized but if you are interested about those leopards, maybe you should try to discuss with this man before saying, that he knows nothing. Think about it, he has filmed animals there many years, would it be possible to do so, that learning nothing about animals? He can have that kind of first hand experiences what many here can only dream about.
I don't need to be zoologist to be aware that leopards do not 'look for company' or are in love with iself, let alone be narcissistic. The leopard was being territorial, nothing more, nothing less. So yes, he doesn't know what he is talking about.
That headline is one thing, but it is difficult to think, that he wouldn´t know leopards. As you said yourself, he has been seeking information years ago. That kind of people can be valuable to others seeking information, not all the people have possibility to spend years in Gabon for instance and observe animals. What I am saying here is, that maybe you are a bit hasty here now if you try to say, that he wouldn´t know about leopards. But if you mean only that one headline, then of course different thing. There are some videos, where leopards act in quite interesting ways though.
The first observation of leopard predation on forest elephant:
Quote:Forest elephants evolved in the dense forest habitats of central Africa, where leopards (P. pardus) are the largest extant predators. Lions were once common in savannah-gallery forest mosaics, but did not penetrate the forest interior. Forest leopards kill and eat large mammals such as okapi (Okapia johnstonii), forest buffalo (Syncerus caffer nanus), and gorillas (Gorilla gorilla gorilla) (250, 375, and 200 kg respectively) (Fay et al. 1995; Hart et al. 1996), but natural predation of forest elephants has never been documented and is generally assumed not to occur. However, a single observation made in the Nouabalé-Ndoki National Park(NNNP) of northern Congo in March 2000 suggests that infact forest elephants do face natural hunting pressure from leopards.
Initial discovery of elephant kill. The elephant was estimated to be 8-10 months old.
Quote:During an extensive ecological survey across the NNNP, a dead infant elephant was found in 25 cm deep water in a large forest clearing (called Bais by local Bayaka people). The carcass was estimated to be fresh (< 48 hours) and the infant 8-10 months old. Initial inspection of the carcass revealed a moderate quantity of blood in the trunk that ran out of the end as the trunk was moved. The rectum was slightly prolapsed. There were no scratches, wounds, or other obvious signs of injury or struggle indicating possible causes of death.
The evidence of the Leopard kill.
Quote:On closer observation two groups of small puncture wounds were found on the chest, left and right on the pectoral area between the front legs. The left and right groups comprised 3 and 4 punctures respectively. The size and arrangement of the puncture wounds, 7cm and 5.5 cm across the longest axis of each, indicated attack by a leopard. To determine whether the punctures had penetrated the thoracic cavity, incisions were made directly down through two of them. Both punctures clearly penetrated the chest muscles and entered lung tissue. It was concluded that the cause of death was directly related to the penetration of the thoracic cavity, lung laceration and associated bleeding.
Description of various predators of young elephants, as well as how the leopard can ambush a forest elephant despite its parents presence.
Quote:Predation of young elephants is generally rare in savannah elephants. Lions are the most important predator, and may take young up to 7 yearsold (Ruggiero 1991), however wild dogs (Lycaon pictus) and hyaenas (Crocuta crocuta) may also take small elephants (Bere 1966; Sikes 1971). Predation pressure may be high where predators occur in large groups (Sikes 1971). Young elephant calves begin wandering several metres from their mother’s side at c. 6 months of age (Ruggiero 1991a), and they are probably at their most vulnerable at this time. A leopard in the forest may be able to attack an infant elephant some metres from its mother with relatively little risk, since it will often be hidden in dense undergrowth.
The elephant calf was healthy, and still killed by the leopard. The author states that the elephant calf is close to the size of a forest buffalo (375 kg). This indicates that the elephant calf might be one of the biggest kills made by a leopard.
Quote:The infant appeared to be in good physical condition suggesting that it was not orphaned. In fact, elephants may offer less risk of injury to the leopard than other prey of similar size (e.g. forest buffalo) (Ruggiero 1991a).
Forest elephants are the smallest elephant subspecies and an infant killed by the same technique that Leopards use on warthogs wouldn't be the size of a forest buffalo, even if forest buffaloes are small as well.
Just look at the difference between
*This image is copyright of its original author
They are well with in Leopard range, but probably well protected which is why Leopards dont prey on them often.
(06-14-2019, 03:00 AM)Pckts Wrote: Forest elephants are the smallest elephant subspecies and an infant killed by the same technique that Leopards use on warthogs wouldn't be the size of a forest buffalo, even if forest buffaloes are small as well.
Just look at the difference between
*This image is copyright of its original author
They are well with in Leopard range, but probably well protected which is why Leopards dont prey on them often.
Aren't Cape Buffalos too big and dangerous, even for lions?
06-14-2019, 04:00 AM( This post was last modified: 06-14-2019, 04:01 AM by Shadow )
(06-14-2019, 03:13 AM)Styx38 Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 03:00 AM)Pckts Wrote: Forest elephants are the smallest elephant subspecies and an infant killed by the same technique that Leopards use on warthogs wouldn't be the size of a forest buffalo, even if forest buffaloes are small as well.
Just look at the difference between
*This image is copyright of its original author
They are well with in Leopard range, but probably well protected which is why Leopards dont prey on them often.
Aren't Cape Buffalos too big and dangerous, even for lions?
The source mentioned the smaller forest buffalo.
When making guess about weight and size of 8-10 months old forest elephant, it is good to look at this article about 1 year old Asian elephant, weight 300 kg. Good photos showing size.
So that part of that study was odd. I guess, that 8-10 months old forest elephant might be around 200 kg maybe.
(06-14-2019, 03:00 AM)Pckts Wrote: Forest elephants are the smallest elephant subspecies and an infant killed by the same technique that Leopards use on warthogs wouldn't be the size of a forest buffalo, even if forest buffaloes are small as well.
Just look at the difference between
*This image is copyright of its original author
They are well with in Leopard range, but probably well protected which is why Leopards dont prey on them often.
Aren't Cape Buffalos too big and dangerous, even for lions?
The source mentioned the smaller forest buffalo.
No...cape buffalo make up a substantial part of a lions diet. There's nothing that's "too big" for a pride of lions. They can hunt giraffes, buffalo, even elephants and hippos.
(06-14-2019, 03:00 AM)Pckts Wrote: Forest elephants are the smallest elephant subspecies and an infant killed by the same technique that Leopards use on warthogs wouldn't be the size of a forest buffalo, even if forest buffaloes are small as well.
Just look at the difference between
*This image is copyright of its original author
They are well with in Leopard range, but probably well protected which is why Leopards dont prey on them often.
Aren't Cape Buffalos too big and dangerous, even for lions?
The source mentioned the smaller forest buffalo.
No...cape buffalo make up a substantial part of a lions diet. There's nothing that's "too big" for a pride of lions. They can hunt giraffes, buffalo, even elephants and hippos.
Yes. There are times when a single lion can take down cape buffalo. However, Cape Buffalo are among the biggest and most dangerous animals in the Savanna.
(06-14-2019, 03:00 AM)Pckts Wrote: Forest elephants are the smallest elephant subspecies and an infant killed by the same technique that Leopards use on warthogs wouldn't be the size of a forest buffalo, even if forest buffaloes are small as well.
Just look at the difference between
*This image is copyright of its original author
They are well with in Leopard range, but probably well protected which is why Leopards dont prey on them often.
Aren't Cape Buffalos too big and dangerous, even for lions?
The source mentioned the smaller forest buffalo.
No...cape buffalo make up a substantial part of a lions diet. There's nothing that's "too big" for a pride of lions. They can hunt giraffes, buffalo, even elephants and hippos.
Yes. There are times when a single lion can take down cape buffalo. However, Cape Buffalo are among the biggest and most dangerous animals in the Savanna.
Have you read his comments or discussed with him in his threads? I wouldn´t say, that he doesn´t know what he is talking about, when reading some of his comments. When someone(s) uses years there in Africa they tend to learn a lot. He might know more about leopards there than people here combined and could maybe tell a lot about many things he has seen there. Or have you maybe already discussed with him and got feeling, that he knows nothing about leopards/animals he is filming?
