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(03-16-2025, 05:13 PM)KM600 Wrote: This was taken at Leopard Hills, the guide doesn’t know who it was but the location itself and the date being yesterday narrows it down to NK & Khanya or perhaps S.BDM & Avoca male if they went south west from Djuma. KM & S.Avoca would normally be in the running, for pardon my french, pissing off the PCMs, they seem to get quite a kick out of that, but last I heard they had separated and haven’t been seen together since, or at all really.
'Responding to rivals from the east' sounds like, to me at least, that they're responding to roaring from the Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka males. I'm not sure nomadic males in their territory would be considered as rivals. If say the Nkuhuma/Talamati duo or the KM and S. Avoca were roaring in their territory, wouldn't their usual MO be to remain quiet and try to catch the intruding nomads, as a roar would warn them that they've taken note of their presence.
I could be wrong, but to me it sounds/seems like they're responding to the Ndzenga males, who they know are their neighbours.
I thought Ndzengas possibly too, but it’s quite a distance between Leopard Hills and MalaMala, providing they were in MalaMala or even their western Londolozi boundary. I think that’d be double the distance a lion’s roar could travel.
Both groups aren’t also the normal kind of nomads who are just trying to get by, KM & S.Avoca chased most likely bigger maned PCM whereas NK & Khanya seem to be tryna establish themselves in Singita. I wouldn’t be surprised if PCMs see them as much more of a threat now being they’ve had multiple encounters with both coalitions.
And as impressive as Talamati and Nkuhuma are physically, I don't see them competing head on with the PC males. Just look at their border sparring with the Ndzenga males. That's how 'rivals' behave towards each other. Do you see Nkuhuma and Talamati doing that with the PC males? I can't see it personally.
I don’t either, atleast not yet, but they are the closest ones to them and only ones that have been trying to claim territory in both northern parts of the west and southern parts.
The PCMs crossed the Sand River recently so it’s possibly they encountered the Ndzengas there and then crossed back returning to their territory roaring the entire way, like u said we don’t know.
But ye, NK & Khanya the most likely option purely cos of the distance.
(03-23-2025, 12:59 AM)KM600 Wrote: They were just in Savannah yesterday and now EP, I hope they don’t plan on sticking around.
They look kinda "aged" ? Maybe It´s just me
Yeah, I mentioned the same thing awhile back. Perhaps it is all their constant travels up north, and back west, often making the whole trip in a single day. It was surely a lot of mileage. Their faces are really aging faster than their years would suggest.
03-23-2025, 03:34 AM( This post was last modified: 03-23-2025, 03:35 AM by FACR2212 )
It would not be surprising if they were heading north looking for females in estrous, since Ximhungwes have cubs, 1/2 Othawas has cubs and the second female should be pregnant (they mated with both of them?). They doesn't bond with Manghenis and Manghenis were travelling south... better be ready for a bigger mess in the north.
(03-23-2025, 11:53 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Their father is still alive at age of 15, and all of Mantimahles reached 10 years, 3 of which 12, that Old Mazithi lineage dont have bad age genes.
My exact thoughts. They just look like seasoned dominant males to me.
(03-23-2025, 03:34 AM)FACR2212 Wrote: It would not be surprising if they were heading north looking for females in estrous, since Ximhungwes have cubs, 1/2 Othawas has cubs and the second female should be pregnant (they mated with both of them?). They doesn't bond with Manghenis and Manghenis were travelling south... better be ready for a bigger mess in the north.
Hi. You are saying since lionesses of west have cubs; Plain camp male lions interest is going back north?
Younger Nukhuma lionesses are around four?
Nukhuma lions are eight lions?
Two Birmingham daughters
One older Avoca daughter
Four younger Avoca daughters and
One young Nukhuma?
I was wondering if plain camp male lions went north, because of black damn male lion and Avoca and male lions in north.
