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03-09-2025, 01:50 AM( This post was last modified: 03-09-2025, 05:14 AM by FACR2212 )
(03-09-2025, 12:16 AM)NLAL11 Wrote: Another photo of the bigger-(maned)/scar-faced PC male from the 10th December, when he was with the Tsalala lioness. Credits to Dean Jenkins.
*This image is copyright of its original author
In his absolute prime!
Plains Camp males offspring so far:
Nkuhuma female (Ridge Nose)'s children
- 1 male and 1 female (3 years old)
Mangheni pride:
- 3 females and 1 male (2 years old) alive from a generation of 10 cubs.
Ximhungwe pride:
- 2 females (1 and a half years old)
- 2 male cubs (2 months old)
Othawa pride:
- 2 female cubs (2 months old)
Tsalala female: 3 cubs from her first litter deceased.
Older males are each one alone. I hope they find good partners, specially Ridge Nose's son that was mauled badly by his fathers some weeks ago.
(03-09-2025, 12:16 AM)NLAL11 Wrote: Another photo of the bigger-(maned)/scar-faced PC male from the 10th December, when he was with the Tsalala lioness. Credits to Dean Jenkins.
*This image is copyright of its original author
In his absolute prime!
Plains Camp males offspring so far:
Nkuhuma female (Ridge Nose)'s children
- 1 male and 1 female (3 years old)
Mangheni pride:
- 4 females and 1 male (2 years old) alive from a generation of 10 cubs.
Ximhungwe pride:
- 2 females (1 and a half years old)
- 2 male cubs (2 months old)
Othawa pride:
- 2 female cubs (2 months old)
Tsalala female: 3 cubs from her first litter deceased.
Older males are each one alone. I hope they find good partners, specially Ridge Nose's son that was mauled badly by his fathers some weeks ago.
(03-09-2025, 12:16 AM)NLAL11 Wrote: Another photo of the bigger-(maned)/scar-faced PC male from the 10th December, when he was with the Tsalala lioness. Credits to Dean Jenkins.
*This image is copyright of its original author
In his absolute prime!
Plains Camp males offspring so far:
Nkuhuma female (Ridge Nose)'s children
- 1 male and 1 female (3 years old)
Mangheni pride:
- 4 females and 1 male (2 years old) alive from a generation of 10 cubs.
Ximhungwe pride:
- 2 females (1 and a half years old)
- 2 male cubs (2 months old)
Othawa pride:
- 2 female cubs (2 months old)
Tsalala female: 3 cubs from her first litter deceased.
Older males are each one alone. I hope they find good partners, specially Ridge Nose's son that was mauled badly by his fathers some weeks ago.
Hi how are you. Hi I wanted to ask is the Mahangeni cubs five or four? I thought it was three female lionesses cubs, and one male lion cub?
With Nukhuma subadults twelve with cubs from other prides.
Hopefully they could have more cubs with Othowa, and Tsalala, and in a few months maybe Gingerella may have more cubs.
I was going to say the young Nukhuma male lion maybe could join Nukhuma’s, but are around west? He would have been maybe a good partner for young Styxt male lion, but he seems more aggressive and confidence with K12. Both Styxt and Nukhuma around relatives, but Nukhuma was already chased by plain camp male. I wonder if he is still around. Nukhuma lioness could also maybe join Tsalala or Talamatie lioness.
03-09-2025, 05:13 AM( This post was last modified: 03-09-2025, 05:13 AM by FACR2212 )
(03-09-2025, 03:52 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote:
(03-09-2025, 01:50 AM)FACR2212 Wrote:
(03-09-2025, 12:16 AM)NLAL11 Wrote: Another photo of the bigger-(maned)/scar-faced PC male from the 10th December, when he was with the Tsalala lioness. Credits to Dean Jenkins.
*This image is copyright of its original author
In his absolute prime!
Plains Camp males offspring so far:
Nkuhuma female (Ridge Nose)'s children
- 1 male and 1 female (3 years old)
Mangheni pride:
- 4 females and 1 male (2 years old) alive from a generation of 10 cubs.
Ximhungwe pride:
- 2 females (1 and a half years old)
- 2 male cubs (2 months old)
Othawa pride:
- 2 female cubs (2 months old)
Tsalala female: 3 cubs from her first litter deceased.
Older males are each one alone. I hope they find good partners, specially Ridge Nose's son that was mauled badly by his fathers some weeks ago.
Hi how are you. Hi I wanted to ask is the Mahangeni cubs five or four? I thought it was three female lionesses cubs, and one male lion cub?
Sorry, I got confused, there are 3 female subs left in Mangheni pride. I will edit the post.
This was taken at Leopard Hills, the guide doesn’t know who it was but the location itself and the date being yesterday narrows it down to NK & Khanya or perhaps S.BDM & Avoca male if they went south west from Djuma. KM & S.Avoca would normally be in the running, for pardon my french, pissing off the PCMs, they seem to get quite a kick out of that, but last I heard they had separated and haven’t been seen together since, or at all really.
(03-16-2025, 05:13 PM)KM600 Wrote: This was taken at Leopard Hills, the guide doesn’t know who it was but the location itself and the date being yesterday narrows it down to NK & Khanya or perhaps S.BDM & Avoca male if they went south west from Djuma. KM & S.Avoca would normally be in the running, for pardon my french, pissing off the PCMs, they seem to get quite a kick out of that, but last I heard they had separated and haven’t been seen together since, or at all really.
Saw this in the comment of the original post at IG, seems like the NK & Talamati Duo is in the boundary of Singita.
(03-16-2025, 05:13 PM)KM600 Wrote: This was taken at Leopard Hills, the guide doesn’t know who it was but the location itself and the date being yesterday narrows it down to NK & Khanya or perhaps S.BDM & Avoca male if they went south west from Djuma. KM & S.Avoca would normally be in the running, for pardon my french, pissing off the PCMs, they seem to get quite a kick out of that, but last I heard they had separated and haven’t been seen together since, or at all really.
'Responding to rivals from the east' sounds like, to me at least, that they're responding to roaring from the Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka males. I'm not sure nomadic males in their territory would be considered as rivals. If say the Nkuhuma/Talamati duo or the KM and S. Avoca were roaring in their territory, wouldn't their usual MO be to remain quiet and try to catch the intruding nomads, as a roar would warn them that they've taken note of their presence.
I could be wrong, but to me it sounds/seems like they're responding to the Ndzenga males, who they know are their neighbours.
(03-16-2025, 05:13 PM)KM600 Wrote: This was taken at Leopard Hills, the guide doesn’t know who it was but the location itself and the date being yesterday narrows it down to NK & Khanya or perhaps S.BDM & Avoca male if they went south west from Djuma. KM & S.Avoca would normally be in the running, for pardon my french, pissing off the PCMs, they seem to get quite a kick out of that, but last I heard they had separated and haven’t been seen together since, or at all really.
'Responding to rivals from the east' sounds like, to me at least, that they're responding to roaring from the Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka males. I'm not sure nomadic males in their territory would be considered as rivals. If say the Nkuhuma/Talamati duo or the KM and S. Avoca were roaring in their territory, wouldn't their usual MO be to remain quiet and try to catch the intruding nomads, as a roar would warn them that they've taken note of their presence.
I could be wrong, but to me it sounds/seems like they're responding to the Ndzenga males, who they know are their neighbours.
I thought Ndzengas possibly too, but it’s quite a distance between Leopard Hills and MalaMala, providing they were in MalaMala or even their western Londolozi boundary. I think that’d be double the distance a lion’s roar could travel.
Both groups aren’t also the normal kind of nomads who are just trying to get by, KM & S.Avoca chased most likely bigger maned PCM whereas NK & Khanya seem to be tryna establish themselves in Singita. I wouldn’t be surprised if PCMs see them as much more of a threat now being they’ve had multiple encounters with both coalitions.
(03-16-2025, 08:57 PM)KM600 Wrote: Both groups aren’t also the normal kind of nomads who are just trying to get by, KM & S.Avoca chased most likely bigger maned PCM whereas NK & Khanya seem to be tryna establish themselves in Singita. I wouldn’t be surprised if PCMs see them as much more of a threat now being they’ve had multiple encounters with both coalitions.
S.Avoca was not seen recently if im not mistaken, and KM is alone in the north.
(03-16-2025, 05:13 PM)KM600 Wrote: This was taken at Leopard Hills, the guide doesn’t know who it was but the location itself and the date being yesterday narrows it down to NK & Khanya or perhaps S.BDM & Avoca male if they went south west from Djuma. KM & S.Avoca would normally be in the running, for pardon my french, pissing off the PCMs, they seem to get quite a kick out of that, but last I heard they had separated and haven’t been seen together since, or at all really.
'Responding to rivals from the east' sounds like, to me at least, that they're responding to roaring from the Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka males. I'm not sure nomadic males in their territory would be considered as rivals. If say the Nkuhuma/Talamati duo or the KM and S. Avoca were roaring in their territory, wouldn't their usual MO be to remain quiet and try to catch the intruding nomads, as a roar would warn them that they've taken note of their presence.
I could be wrong, but to me it sounds/seems like they're responding to the Ndzenga males, who they know are their neighbours.
I thought Ndzengas possibly too, but it’s quite a distance between Leopard Hills and MalaMala, providing they were in MalaMala or even their western Londolozi boundary. I think that’d be double the distance a lion’s roar could travel.
Both groups aren’t also the normal kind of nomads who are just trying to get by, KM & S.Avoca chased most likely bigger maned PCM whereas NK & Khanya seem to be tryna establish themselves in Singita. I wouldn’t be surprised if PCMs see them as much more of a threat now being they’ve had multiple encounters with both coalitions.
Yeah the distance is a big factor. If the Nkuhuma and Talamati males are indeed setting up shop (or at least attempting to) in Singita then it could well be them they're responding to.
However, the roaring behaviour in the video looks very much like a reaction to males that they consider rivals, and essentially equals. I would think that there would need to have been a couple of instances where the Nkuhuma/Talamati duo bested them in some way, chased them off a carcass, maybe even had a scrap with one of them, for them to be reacted to like rivals. And Singita is very much PC male territory, so Talamati/Nkuhuma are trying to take a chunk of their territory. The PC males have prides and cubs to defend, so I would imagine that they would have reacted more aggressively and violently to this serious incursion and challenge.
And as impressive as Talamati and Nkuhuma are physically, I don't see them competing head on with the PC males. Just look at their border sparring with the Ndzenga males. That's how 'rivals' behave towards each other. Do you see Nkuhuma and Talamati doing that with the PC males? I can't see it personally.
Of course all this is speculation, and I could be wrong. Hopefully we'll get some more info so we won't have to speculate and guess about it.
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(03-16-2025, 05:13 PM)KM600 Wrote: This was taken at Leopard Hills, the guide doesn’t know who it was but the location itself and the date being yesterday narrows it down to NK & Khanya or perhaps S.BDM & Avoca male if they went south west from Djuma. KM & S.Avoca would normally be in the running, for pardon my french, pissing off the PCMs, they seem to get quite a kick out of that, but last I heard they had separated and haven’t been seen together since, or at all really.
'Responding to rivals from the east' sounds like, to me at least, that they're responding to roaring from the Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka males. I'm not sure nomadic males in their territory would be considered as rivals. If say the Nkuhuma/Talamati duo or the KM and S. Avoca were roaring in their territory, wouldn't their usual MO be to remain quiet and try to catch the intruding nomads, as a roar would warn them that they've taken note of their presence.
I could be wrong, but to me it sounds/seems like they're responding to the Ndzenga males, who they know are their neighbours.
I thought Ndzengas possibly too, but it’s quite a distance between Leopard Hills and MalaMala, providing they were in MalaMala or even their western Londolozi boundary. I think that’d be double the distance a lion’s roar could travel.
Both groups aren’t also the normal kind of nomads who are just trying to get by, KM & S.Avoca chased most likely bigger maned PCM whereas NK & Khanya seem to be tryna establish themselves in Singita. I wouldn’t be surprised if PCMs see them as much more of a threat now being they’ve had multiple encounters with both coalitions.
Yeah the distance is a big factor. If the Nkuhuma and Talamati males are indeed setting up shop (or at least attempting to) in Singita then it could well be them they're responding to.
However, the roaring behaviour in the video looks very much like a reaction to males that they consider rivals, and essentially equals. I would think that there would need to have been a couple of instances where the Nkuhuma/Talamati duo bested them in some way, chased them off a carcass, maybe even had a scrap with one of them, for them to be reacted to like rivals. And Singita is very much PC male territory, so Talamati/Nkuhuma are trying to take a chunk of their territory. The PC males have prides and cubs to defend, so I would imagine that they would have reacted more aggressively and violently to this serious incursion and challenge.
And as impressive as Talamati and Nkuhuma are physically, I don't see them competing head on with the PC males. Just look at their border sparring with the Ndzenga males. That's how 'rivals' behave towards each other. Do you see Nkuhuma and Talamati doing that with the PC males? I can't see it personally.
Of course all this is speculation, and I could be wrong. Hopefully we'll get some more info so we won't have to speculate and guess about it.
That's the thing, when you are discussing a subject as dynamic as wildlife, the conversations will always involve speculation, otherwise the number of pages in the threads in this site would be a whole lot lower. Of course, many times our speculation comes from our following along with a given situation, or following specific creatures, but it is unavoidable speculation nonetheless.
