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(02-12-2022, 05:53 AM)Pckts Wrote: In regards to the record Jaguar, do you know it’s body dimensions?
We can compare it to Joker or quite a few other Jags and see how it stacks up
Here it is:
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I assume that it was measured in straight line, as its size is comparable to the biggest males in Venezuela.
02-12-2022, 09:11 PM( This post was last modified: 02-12-2022, 09:45 PM by Pckts )
(02-12-2022, 08:55 PM)Did GuateGojira Wrote:
(02-12-2022, 05:53 AM)Pckts Wrote: In regards to the record Jaguar, do you know it’s body dimensions?
We can compare it to Joker or quite a few other Jags and see how it stacks up
Here it is:
*This image is copyright of its original author
I assume that it was measured in straight line, as its size is comparable to the biggest males in Venezuela.
Definitely a huge cat, my guess is that this male is over the curves.
Also curious the actual protocol used since some of the verbiage is foreign to me. Not quite sure what he means by tail vertebrae in terms of start point. I know the vertebrae within the tail but not sure if there’s a difference in a starting point? And considering it’s tail is so short 25”, It definitely makes me wonder. But then again, he very well could of had some bit off by Piranhas which happens often.
Here’s Joker and Shaka
Both over the curves, Joker could be the largest Jaguar ever captured, at least in terms of weight.
Last year the famous Tau Sheri (Kazakhstan’s last leopard) was found dead. Recently though, I just found out that in 2007 and in 2015 as well there were 2 other leopards who were found dead in Kazakhstan. This map shows where they were found (the 2018 sighting was Tau Sheri being caught in a camera trap for the first time).
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Here is a picture of the male leopard that was killed in 2007:
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Tau Sheri’s death was really saddening since he was considered the last leopard in Kazakhstan. Hopefully there will be more leopards in Kazakhstan in the future
I have interesting news! I think I've finally come to the moment where we can clear up all confusion surrounding the Persian record leopard.
I finally contacted Iman Memarian, whom I highly thank for being available to answer me and here I have his voice messages,I recorded the screen and shared all of it on YouTube on my private channel
Before continuing the read of this post, watch the video completely :
As far as we can see, the fact that that leopard weighed 115 kg is the truth! But was that on an empty stomach? Well no.
Iman told me in the last message as you can see that the leopard had initially been captured on a carcass and was full when initially weighed, that's why this big male weighed almost 120 kg (115 kg).
Finally we know the cause of this very high weight, I guess that no-one who ever contacted Iman was able to get this particular but important detail.
The real weight?
However he told me that this leopard the day of the euthanasia, after days in very bad conditions and not eating (He was shot in his spine, couldn't walk, refused to eat after the capture, was overstressed and even started eating its own limbs! ), weighed about 98 kg, but before he even mentioned 105 kg in the voice message so I don't know if when it was 105 kg it was still with stomach content ... Maybe yes maybe not.
^^What do you guys think about this part mentioning 105 kg? Let me know.
At the end of the day, to be safe, I would say that 95-98 kg would be a fair estimate of the weight of this huge male, being the largest verified Persian leopard in history. @ "Guategojira" it would be interesting now if you updated your sample and finally added this 95- 98 kg male (mean: 96.5 kg) in the sample to see how the averages fairs up now.
The official veterinary record stated his weight as 95 kg, which is the vet record shown to Dr. Farhadina
Probably the change will be minimal, but remember that even just 1 or 1.5 kg more could change something important, for a simple reason I'll list in the future.
*This image is copyright of its original author
To conclude, here is a photo of the poor soul during euthanasia, the day he was said to have weighed 95 - 98 kg.
Look at the eyes of this poor little creature, just imagine surviving several rifle shots to fight anyway even when completely paralyzed, entering a state of stress so high that you start eating your own limbs.
Many people speak of peace in the world and of coexisting all while still bringing respect towards others but never in life will I ever accept to endure the existence of people who cause this pain and stress to animals (I mean who shot the leopard in this case).
So whatever happens in the future, I officially declare the state of "war" and hostility between me and all the kinds of people that fall in these categories : poachers, trophy hunters or anyone who practices these barbarisms illegally.
As long as you're able, clean the world from the vermin.
I have interesting news! I think I've finally come to the moment where we can clear up all confusion surrounding the Persian record leopard.
I finally contacted Iman Memarian, whom I highly thank for being available to answer me and here I have his voice messages,I recorded the screen and shared all of it on YouTube on my private channel
Before continuing the read of this post, watch the video completely :
As far as we can see, the fact that that leopard weighed 115 kg is the truth! But was that on an empty stomach? Well no.
Iman told me in the last message as you can see that the leopard had initially been captured on a carcass and was full when initially weighed, that's why this big male weighed almost 120 kg (115 kg).
Finally we know the cause of this very high weight, I guess that no-one who ever contacted Iman was able to get this particular but important detail.
The real weight?
However he told me that this leopard the day of the euthanasia, after days in very bad conditions and not eating (He was shot in his spine, couldn't walk, refused to eat after the capture, was overstressed and even started eating its own limbs! ), weighed about 98 kg, but before he even mentioned 105 kg in the voice message so I don't know if when it was 105 kg it was still with stomach content ... Maybe yes maybe not.
^^What do you guys think about this part mentioning 105 kg? Let me know.
At the end of the day, to be safe, I would say that 95-98 kg would be a fair estimate of the weight of this huge male, being the largest verified Persian leopard in history. @ "Guategojira" it would be interesting now if you updated your sample and finally added this 95- 98 kg male (mean: 96.5 kg) in the sample to see how the averages fairs up now.
The official veterinary record stated his weight as 95 kg, which is the vet record shown to Dr. Farhadina
Probably the change will be minimal, but remember that even just 1 or 1.5 kg more could change something important, for a simple reason I'll list in the future.
*This image is copyright of its original author
To conclude, here is a photo of the poor soul during euthanasia, the day he was said to have weighed 95 - 98 kg.
Look at the eyes of this poor little creature, just imagine surviving several rifle shots to fight anyway even when completely paralyzed, entering a state of stress so high that you start eating your own limbs.
Many people speak of peace in the world and of coexisting all while still bringing respect towards others but never in life will I ever accept to endure the existence of people who cause this pain and stress to animals (I mean who shot the leopard in this case).
So whatever happens in the future, I officially declare the state of "war" and hostility between me and all the kinds of people that fall in these categories : poachers, trophy hunters or anyone who practices these barbarisms illegally.
As long as you're able, clean the world from the vermin.
We know, this is the same information. Unfortunately there's no update with measurements, which we've all been waiting for. Regardless you know where I stand on this claim, I don't see it and the cat doesn't look particularly large regardless. My opinion is a faulty scale or error in the weighing process.
I have interesting news! I think I've finally come to the moment where we can clear up all confusion surrounding the Persian record leopard.
I finally contacted Iman Memarian, whom I highly thank for being available to answer me and here I have his voice messages,I recorded the screen and shared all of it on YouTube on my private channel
Before continuing the read of this post, watch the video completely :
As far as we can see, the fact that that leopard weighed 115 kg is the truth! But was that on an empty stomach? Well no.
Iman told me in the last message as you can see that the leopard had initially been captured on a carcass and was full when initially weighed, that's why this big male weighed almost 120 kg (115 kg).
Finally we know the cause of this very high weight, I guess that no-one who ever contacted Iman was able to get this particular but important detail.
The real weight?
However he told me that this leopard the day of the euthanasia, after days in very bad conditions and not eating (He was shot in his spine, couldn't walk, refused to eat after the capture, was overstressed and even started eating its own limbs! ), weighed about 98 kg, but before he even mentioned 105 kg in the voice message so I don't know if when it was 105 kg it was still with stomach content ... Maybe yes maybe not.
^^What do you guys think about this part mentioning 105 kg? Let me know.
At the end of the day, to be safe, I would say that 95-98 kg would be a fair estimate of the weight of this huge male, being the largest verified Persian leopard in history. @ "Guategojira" it would be interesting now if you updated your sample and finally added this 95- 98 kg male (mean: 96.5 kg) in the sample to see how the averages fairs up now.
The official veterinary record stated his weight as 95 kg, which is the vet record shown to Dr. Farhadina
Probably the change will be minimal, but remember that even just 1 or 1.5 kg more could change something important, for a simple reason I'll list in the future.
*This image is copyright of its original author
To conclude, here is a photo of the poor soul during euthanasia, the day he was said to have weighed 95 - 98 kg.
Look at the eyes of this poor little creature, just imagine surviving several rifle shots to fight anyway even when completely paralyzed, entering a state of stress so high that you start eating your own limbs.
Many people speak of peace in the world and of coexisting all while still bringing respect towards others but never in life will I ever accept to endure the existence of people who cause this pain and stress to animals (I mean who shot the leopard in this case).
So whatever happens in the future, I officially declare the state of "war" and hostility between me and all the kinds of people that fall in these categories : poachers, trophy hunters or anyone who practices these barbarisms illegally.
As long as you're able, clean the world from the vermin.
We know, this is the same information. Unfortunately there's no update with measurements, which we've all been waiting for. Regardless you know where I stand on this claim, I don't see it and the cat doesn't look particularly large regardless. My opinion is a faulty scale or error in the weighing process.
Faulty scale? Is this because there were several weights given or because you think the leopard looks smaller? 1. We have an explanation for the many different weights given and that is potential stomach content as well as poor condition later on. 2. You are trying to estimate the weight of an animal whose full body is never in view in any picture and even then it looked bulky to me
I have interesting news! I think I've finally come to the moment where we can clear up all confusion surrounding the Persian record leopard.
I finally contacted Iman Memarian, whom I highly thank for being available to answer me and here I have his voice messages,I recorded the screen and shared all of it on YouTube on my private channel
Before continuing the read of this post, watch the video completely :
As far as we can see, the fact that that leopard weighed 115 kg is the truth! But was that on an empty stomach? Well no.
Iman told me in the last message as you can see that the leopard had initially been captured on a carcass and was full when initially weighed, that's why this big male weighed almost 120 kg (115 kg).
Finally we know the cause of this very high weight, I guess that no-one who ever contacted Iman was able to get this particular but important detail.
The real weight?
However he told me that this leopard the day of the euthanasia, after days in very bad conditions and not eating (He was shot in his spine, couldn't walk, refused to eat after the capture, was overstressed and even started eating its own limbs! ), weighed about 98 kg, but before he even mentioned 105 kg in the voice message so I don't know if when it was 105 kg it was still with stomach content ... Maybe yes maybe not.
^^What do you guys think about this part mentioning 105 kg? Let me know.
At the end of the day, to be safe, I would say that 95-98 kg would be a fair estimate of the weight of this huge male, being the largest verified Persian leopard in history. @ "Guategojira" it would be interesting now if you updated your sample and finally added this 95- 98 kg male (mean: 96.5 kg) in the sample to see how the averages fairs up now.
The official veterinary record stated his weight as 95 kg, which is the vet record shown to Dr. Farhadina
Probably the change will be minimal, but remember that even just 1 or 1.5 kg more could change something important, for a simple reason I'll list in the future.
*This image is copyright of its original author
To conclude, here is a photo of the poor soul during euthanasia, the day he was said to have weighed 95 - 98 kg.
Look at the eyes of this poor little creature, just imagine surviving several rifle shots to fight anyway even when completely paralyzed, entering a state of stress so high that you start eating your own limbs.
Many people speak of peace in the world and of coexisting all while still bringing respect towards others but never in life will I ever accept to endure the existence of people who cause this pain and stress to animals (I mean who shot the leopard in this case).
So whatever happens in the future, I officially declare the state of "war" and hostility between me and all the kinds of people that fall in these categories : poachers, trophy hunters or anyone who practices these barbarisms illegally.
As long as you're able, clean the world from the vermin.
We know, this is the same information. Unfortunately there's no update with measurements, which we've all been waiting for. Regardless you know where I stand on this claim, I don't see it and the cat doesn't look particularly large regardless. My opinion is a faulty scale or error in the weighing process.
Faulty scale? Is this because there were several weights given or because you think the leopard looks smaller? 1. We have an explanation for the many different weights given and that is potential stomach content as well as poor condition later on. 2. You are trying to estimate the weight of an animal whose full body is never in view in any picture and even then it looked bulky to me
Thanks to the additional information given by Iman Memarian, it's likely he was full or perhaps even gorged as he was found near a carcass. Photographs of the capture somewhat confirm he wasn't starving:
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As stated by Memarian, he refused to eat after his capture and was overstressed. The 105kg weigth must've been at a time he was more or less empty and his final weight must've been in a state of emaciation. Just compare the two photos, at one stage he appears full and bulky and then he appears too skinny at the time of his euthanization.
I have interesting news! I think I've finally come to the moment where we can clear up all confusion surrounding the Persian record leopard.
I finally contacted Iman Memarian, whom I highly thank for being available to answer me and here I have his voice messages,I recorded the screen and shared all of it on YouTube on my private channel
Before continuing the read of this post, watch the video completely :
As far as we can see, the fact that that leopard weighed 115 kg is the truth! But was that on an empty stomach? Well no.
Iman told me in the last message as you can see that the leopard had initially been captured on a carcass and was full when initially weighed, that's why this big male weighed almost 120 kg (115 kg).
Finally we know the cause of this very high weight, I guess that no-one who ever contacted Iman was able to get this particular but important detail.
The real weight?
However he told me that this leopard the day of the euthanasia, after days in very bad conditions and not eating (He was shot in his spine, couldn't walk, refused to eat after the capture, was overstressed and even started eating its own limbs! ), weighed about 98 kg, but before he even mentioned 105 kg in the voice message so I don't know if when it was 105 kg it was still with stomach content ... Maybe yes maybe not.
^^What do you guys think about this part mentioning 105 kg? Let me know.
At the end of the day, to be safe, I would say that 95-98 kg would be a fair estimate of the weight of this huge male, being the largest verified Persian leopard in history. @ "Guategojira" it would be interesting now if you updated your sample and finally added this 95- 98 kg male (mean: 96.5 kg) in the sample to see how the averages fairs up now.
The official veterinary record stated his weight as 95 kg, which is the vet record shown to Dr. Farhadina
Probably the change will be minimal, but remember that even just 1 or 1.5 kg more could change something important, for a simple reason I'll list in the future.
*This image is copyright of its original author
To conclude, here is a photo of the poor soul during euthanasia, the day he was said to have weighed 95 - 98 kg.
Look at the eyes of this poor little creature, just imagine surviving several rifle shots to fight anyway even when completely paralyzed, entering a state of stress so high that you start eating your own limbs.
Many people speak of peace in the world and of coexisting all while still bringing respect towards others but never in life will I ever accept to endure the existence of people who cause this pain and stress to animals (I mean who shot the leopard in this case).
So whatever happens in the future, I officially declare the state of "war" and hostility between me and all the kinds of people that fall in these categories : poachers, trophy hunters or anyone who practices these barbarisms illegally.
As long as you're able, clean the world from the vermin.
We know, this is the same information. Unfortunately there's no update with measurements, which we've all been waiting for. Regardless you know where I stand on this claim, I don't see it and the cat doesn't look particularly large regardless. My opinion is a faulty scale or error in the weighing process.
Faulty scale? Is this because there were several weights given or because you think the leopard looks smaller? 1. We have an explanation for the many different weights given and that is potential stomach content as well as poor condition later on. 2. You are trying to estimate the weight of an animal whose full body is never in view in any picture and even then it looked bulky to me
Persian Leopard (Panthera pardus saxicolor)
