There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
(02-02-2025, 07:14 PM)BA0701 Wrote: There is clearly a way that the animals and people can coexist, as has been done in recent decades. It isn't until park management decided to play God, choosing who lives and who dies, and the government ceased enforcing existing laws, that things became a problem.
Sorry, this whole area has been on my mind for the last year. The things that go on here, and the as you say, picking and choosing. Take Nashapol the Cheetah and her 5 cubs. They essentially chaperoned her and those cubs around for several months. NOW... Cheetah's are not long for this earth, and what humans are doing with them and these transplant programs is horrendous, but again... who are we to intervene? I mean, we've already done the ultimate intervene by wiping out 75%+ of their habitat, but again... we choose who lives and dies.
As for the Masai, and the governments here, please don't get me started. They make Western Governments look like German Automobile engines of efficiency with how corrupt and greedy they are. Basically a year apart, the 2 most recognizable lions on planet earth were killed by humans and covered up. Humans that received a LOT of money to NOT do what they just did. Humans that want to do it to basically all the rest of the vermin on the lands they deem to be theirs by right. Maybe they are correct. Maybe it is their land. Maybe they should do what they want, but ... I guess I just need to stop. Who am I to criticize. My ancestors wiped out the plains.
The fact that these things continue to happen there, tells me it is intentional. It isn't like it hasn't been discussed, in depth, all over the web, not just here, about the human slaughter of these creatures that has been going on for years now. They clearly are aware of the general consensus, and it continues to happen in a very public way. There is something else at play, and the only thing that makes sense, given everything that has been happening, is they want the land that these creatures call home. When it first started, it didn't make sense, because it was clearly going to impact tourism, but now, it has become obvious that they want the tourists gone, so that they can proceed in the dark.
(02-02-2025, 07:14 PM)BA0701 Wrote: There is clearly a way that the animals and people can coexist, as has been done in recent decades. It isn't until park management decided to play God, choosing who lives and who dies, and the government ceased enforcing existing laws, that things became a problem.
Sorry, this whole area has been on my mind for the last year. The things that go on here, and the as you say, picking and choosing. Take Nashapol the Cheetah and her 5 cubs. They essentially chaperoned her and those cubs around for several months. NOW... Cheetah's are not long for this earth, and what humans are doing with them and these transplant programs is horrendous, but again... who are we to intervene? I mean, we've already done the ultimate intervene by wiping out 75%+ of their habitat, but again... we choose who lives and dies.
As for the Masai, and the governments here, please don't get me started. They make Western Governments look like German Automobile engines of efficiency with how corrupt and greedy they are. Basically a year apart, the 2 most recognizable lions on planet earth were killed by humans and covered up. Humans that received a LOT of money to NOT do what they just did. Humans that want to do it to basically all the rest of the vermin on the lands they deem to be theirs by right. Maybe they are correct. Maybe it is their land. Maybe they should do what they want, but ... I guess I just need to stop. Who am I to criticize. My ancestors wiped out the plains.
The fact that these things continue to happen there, tells me it is intentional. It isn't like it hasn't been discussed, in depth, all over the web, not just here, about the human slaughter of these creatures that has been going on for years now. They clearly are aware of the general consensus, and it continues to happen in a very public way. There is something else at play, and the only thing that makes sense, given everything that has been happening, is they want the land that these creatures call home. When it first started, it didn't make sense, because it was clearly going to impact tourism, but now, it has become obvious that they want the tourists gone, so that they can proceed in the dark.
you criticize the authorities and the rangers but without them olobor, lurkurlup and oloimona would have already died a long time ago and all of natural causes.
It was the rangers who separated Spiky and his brother from Olobor by getting very close to them when they fought and then the authorities treated Olobor.
lurkurlup took a giraffe's hoof to the head (the cause of his runny nose), the spear on his lip, the snake bite, oloimona after his fight with jesse, which crippled him for life and each time It was the authorities who treated them.
and as for the Masai herders, their herd is their means of substances and unlike the American rancher they do not kill all the predators which are on their land.
they only defend their herd and sometimes predators are killed.
there are more than 600 lions in the Masai Mara, that's more than there are wolves in Yellowstone National Park, more than 5 times more in a much smaller area
Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara
