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(11-26-2022, 07:12 AM)SalemMagi Wrote: Oh Yes, the original statement that was put out by the National Council of Societies for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (NSPCA) regarding the euthanization of Sassy Othawa indicates that the Sabi Sand Reserve Management was definitely involved in this decision.
I don't think you are familiar with the make up of the Sabi Sands and how each privately owned 'reserve' within the Sabi Sands forms part of the whole and the management structure contained therein. Thus Ulusaba, for example, is a reserve with its own land on its own merit with authority to permit or reserve traverse as it sees fit with regards to their relationship with the other landowners around them. It has its own responsibilities within that framework to manage their land in accordance with Sabi Sands and the other owners but wildlife management, as such, comes from Sabi Sands management and any decision to euthanase, relocate or destroy an animal is made by Sabi Sands not an individual reserve or landowner and the undertaking is made by their staff complement as far as I'm aware.
It this point she is a Ximhungwe through and through.
Perhaps once that pride gets their own thread. Which would probably be soon as they are currently more an established dominant pride than tthe Othawas.. she belongs there. But for now this one is fine.
(12-01-2022, 04:38 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Its been reported that one of the subs, the one recently named Normal ears has passed away.
If the other subs are on their own and not reconnect. It looks very grim for the future of the pride.
Source?
Local guides have confirmed. Omega himself confirmed to me a carcass was found in Ulusaba.
Doesn’t look good for the other two either. They wouldn’t say if it’s attributed to specific lions, but it was said that the Birminghams had found them late last week and seen in pursuit.
If that is the case, I don’t think the remaining girls stand a chance.
(12-01-2022, 06:03 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: The last two remaining Othowas. if you believe in miracles….then maybe there’s hope for these girls.
Only positive thing is that they are together atleast.
But yea, with so many lions occasionaly roaming around, like Bboys, PC males, Tumbela, Ximhungwe/Gingerella, Mhangenis, Talamatis and now 2 BDM's where seen in Singita, its tough for this girls..
(12-01-2022, 06:03 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: The last two remaining Othowas. if you believe in miracles….then maybe there’s hope for these girls.
Only positive thing is that they are together atleast.
But yea, with so many lions occasionaly roaming around, like Bboys, PC males, Tumbela, Ximhungwe/Gingerella, Mhangenis, Talamatis and now 2 BDM's where seen in Singita, its tough for this girls..
These girls have the best chance to survive if they move out of their homeland. I wonder why they are staying here, with all the males and rival prides in the area, its basically commiting suicide by staying in high lion density areas.
(12-01-2022, 06:13 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: These girls have the best chance to survive if they move out of their homeland. I wonder why they are staying here, with all the males and rival prides in the area, its basically commiting suicide by staying in high lion density areas.
Other areas are not better either, although they dont know that.
Its just their instinct to stay here, in familiar area to them, where they grow up.
That area just has to many lions at the moment so that there is a lot of death is to be expected. Its just a pity that its the lionesses and cubs that are taking most of the blows.
It would help if a coalition lands there that has the guts and the strength to permanently clear out all the weaker coalitions and create stability. After that the lionesses can typically sort things out on their own under their umbrella.
Even then though. It may be years before those two subs become a full territorial pride again. Should they survive.
(12-01-2022, 06:03 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: The last two remaining Othowas. if you believe in miracles….then maybe there’s hope for these girls.
Only positive thing is that they are together atleast.
But yea, with so many lions occasionaly roaming around, like Bboys, PC males, Tumbela, Ximhungwe/Gingerella, Mhangenis, Talamatis and now 2 BDM's where seen in Singita, its tough for this girls..
These girls have the best chance to survive if they move out of their homeland. I wonder why they are staying here, with all the males and rival prides in the area, its basically commiting suicide by staying in high lion density areas.
Well technically these youngins aren't even fully fledged sub adults... as they are not even 2 years old... so i can't fault them for sticking around... their mother Sassy was "euthanized" by Sabi Sand and the Western sector is the only area that they have ever known...
i am typically an optimist... but it is not looking good for the remaining 2 Othawa cubs.
i wish they would be relocated to a Lion Sanctuary, perhaps by the NSPCA or any other group that can help.
