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ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - B - THE LION (Panthera leo)

Guatemala GuateGojira Offline
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(12-17-2018, 01:42 PM)Smilodon-Rex Wrote: Guys, do you have any full information about 260kg male lion in Etosha national park?


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Not too much. Just that the lion was an adult male capture with bait and included stomach content. After that, we have this email from Dr Hu Berry (RIP) and the measurements from the lion (I guess are in straigth line):

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This is in fact an exceptionally big lion, specially if we take in count that the male lions from his sample average 190 kg (including some stomach content).
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(12-22-2018, 04:28 PM)Smilodon-Rex Wrote:
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 Lion body measurements

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Sadly that is the new method used by those who measure lions and other predators in Africa. Is an unreliable method, is a big mistake and a return to the old methods to measure the cats over all the ondulations and starting from the base of the incisors!!! A 270 cm lion would become a 290 cm lion easily with this method. I think that the "big" lions from the Hobatore area are been measured in this way. If not, there is no explanation why those males that look "average" in the pictures, latter they look huge in the paper (excluding the weights). Make no sense at all!
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Article about human caused lion mortality in Zimbabwe.

https://medium.com/student-conservation-...4e0d3a4cd9
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@Rishi   Belly fold is not unique to asiatic lions (it's just a characteristic mostly present in most of asian lions and rarer in other lion kinds...) many of african ones and historic Persian lions has them...
Just for example...

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Lions skin grows over age and the extra loose skin hangs over their bellies...
There is a video for that in Kevin Richardson's channel. Searching...
When Need turns to Greed, our Extinction happens.
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(01-29-2019, 12:49 PM)Sanju Wrote: Belly fold is not unique to asiatic lions (it's just a characteristic mostly present in most of asian lions and rarer in other lion kinds) many of african ones and historic Persian lions has them.

Lions skin grows over age and the extra loose skin hangs over their bellies...

The first part is common knowledge that i already know (that's literally what i said in the last post).

But the relation of belly-fold with age is something i didn't hear before...& i don't think is true for Asiatic lions. Plenty of skinny young lions with flappy ones & bulky old lions with almost none. It's seems more about body shape.
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(01-29-2019, 01:13 PM)Rishi Wrote:
(01-29-2019, 12:49 PM)Sanju Wrote: Belly fold is not unique to asiatic lions (it's just a characteristic mostly present in most of asian lions and rarer in other lion kinds) many of african ones and historic Persian lions has them.

Lions skin grows over age and the extra loose skin hangs over their bellies...

The first part is common knowledge that i already know (that's literally what i said in the last post).

But the relation of belly-fold with age is something i didn't hear before...& i don't think is true for Asiatic lions. Plenty of skinny young lions with flappy ones & bulky old lions with almost none. It's seems more about body shape.

I agreed with you about other lions too have belly fold did not give any common or extra info/ knowledge that you don't know. I meant for African lions I posted pics and talking about them... I heard that AFR lions belly fold increases over age in Kevin Richardson video (Lion whisperer)
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What happens when you have lions next to the sea? They adapt to "seafood". Here is the link to the paper:

Lions (Panthera leo) specialising on a marine diet in the Skeleton Coast National Park, Namibia

Give such a behavior a few hundred thousand years and theoretically you may have a new species of "sea" lion.


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(01-31-2019, 03:40 AM)tigerluver Wrote: What happens when you have lions next to the sea? They adapt to "seafood". Here is the link to the paper:

Lions (Panthera leo) specialising on a marine diet in the Skeleton Coast National Park, Namibia

Give such a behavior a few hundred thousand years and theoretically you may have a new species of "sea" lion.


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 Good information, does lion would eat dolphin or whale's corpse in Namibian coastline ?
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I have kept an old "GEO" rewiew (October 1992)

I translate: "The lions' opportunism allow them to survive inside hot desert areas by feeding on dolphins and whales beached. Progressively, they became seals hunter that they surprise during their sleep on the beach and killed till into the sea during furious fights (hand to hand)".


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I translate more precisely:

"The lions' opportunism allows them to survive inside desert areas by feeding on unusuals preys. Always in Namibia, Hu Berry watchs that theirs Skeleton Coast residents leave willingly their arid habitat in order to feed on dolphins and whales beached. Progressively, they became seal hunters that they surprise during their sleep on the beach and killed till into the sea during furious fights (hand to hand)".
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Video about the Barbary lions... History and last years.





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You've all probably heard about rhino poachers being eaten by lions in South Africa in 2018 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-44728507) and 2019 (https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/07/afric...index.html). Considering the outrage that poaching attracts, people often glee when they read about cases of poachers getting killed, and call it 'karma', but this doesn't take into consideration the fact that many poachers are poor people who are desperate to earn money, not like their rich customers who demand the endangered animals' parts or skins (https://www.livescience.com/65179-elepha...orpse.html), or rich trophy-hunters such as these 2 guys (https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-s...ng-outrage).

As in, don't glee if you read about a poacher getting killed, without checking his or her background: A guilty, rich person, or a poor guy forced by the circumstances to do it?

Trousers of the late poacher, was he rich or poor? CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/07/afric...index.html 

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Trophy hunters with a website, guilty: https://www.africanskyhunting.co.za/trop...nting.html 

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It seems that Greece or southeastern Europe wasn't the only place in Europe with modern lions: 

Credit: Louvre Abu Dhabi, Chapter 3, Page 52: https://tcaabudhabi.ae/DataFolder/report...-%20EN.pdf
   
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Iran wants to bring back the Asiatic lion to its wilderness, and it already has a captive male at Tehran Zoological Park, but considering what the situation is with the cheetah there, I wonder how they'll manage? https://en.mehrnews.com/news/144891/Will...nce-pushed

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(05-08-2019, 10:43 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: It seems that Greece or southeastern Europe wasn't the only place in Europe with modern lions: 

Credit: Louvre Abu Dhabi, Chapter 3, Page 52: https://tcaabudhabi.ae/DataFolder/report...-%20EN.pdf

Considering the evidence of big cats in Europe, such as from the work of authors like Heptner and Sludskii (https://archive.org/stream/mammalsofsov2...8/mode/2up), and this Bronze Age lion statue from Italy or Spain, I am considering making a thread about, bear with me on this.
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