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Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers
Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers
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Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers
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 (03-22-2018, 01:35 AM)brotherbear Wrote: Pckts says: I just spoke with someone who works for a Tiger Reserve It can't really lead far until the person decides to publish the weights, but like with many other weights we can only take their word for it. I have provided evidence to the ones that have asked and I'm sure they would agree its a very large cat and the source is reliable but outside of that, we can only go off of speculation. 
I'm just curious Pckts about big cats that BIG. I don't doubt you about them, but I'm curious as to how they would stack up to tigers weighing from 400 to 500 pounds in their athletic abilities. How capable a hunter would an 800 pound tiger be? Obviously, capable to be surviving in the wilds of the preserve. Perhaps they hunt some large prey animal slower moving than deer or wild pigs such as buffalo or gaur?
(03-22-2018, 02:11 AM)brotherbear Wrote: I'm just curious Pckts about big cats that BIG. I don't doubt you about them, but I'm curious as to how they would stack up to tigers weighing from 400 to 500 pounds in their athletic abilities. How capable a hunter would an 800 pound tiger be? Obviously, capable to be surviving in the wilds of the preserve. Perhaps they hunt some large prey animal slower moving than deer or wild pigs such as buffalo or gaur? It's a good question, I'd like to use Bears as a comparison. Do you think a Kodiak is more or less athletic than a Grizzly from Yellowstone? I don't believe they are, it really comes down to morphology, some animals within the same species will be more or less athletic just based off of limb length, weight distribution and genetics. Even humans can show these subtleties, two men standing 6'5'' and weighing 250lbs can have very different athletic capabilities. In regards to prey choice, I find it hard to imagine that a large predator can hunt smaller prey, I assume they would need to pick prey animals that could sustain their massive size. But habitat may also play a role in prey selection, in Kaziranga for example, Tigers seem to enjoy the benefit of tall elephant grass and marsh lands to help with their predation, some Reserves in the Terai Arc may provide unusual benefits to hunting. I also think this has to do with some of the differences you see in Tadoba Tigers compared to Kanha Tigers. Tadoba is much more flat as well as hot and dry during the summer months compared to Kanha and the Tigers in Kanha generally seem to have a more muscular frame in comparison, maybe it has to do with the more elevated and harsh terrain, walking up steep hills may be an additional factor to a muscular appearance. 
John Seidensticker & Charles McDougal:
"In mainland environments where primary prey are larger ungulates, tigers are larger,
as much as twice the size of the Sunda Island tigers. Large body size may increase the efficiency of preying on big ungulates, but decreases the efficiency of living on smaller prey types. The smaller body size of the Sunda Island tigers may increase the efficiency of capturing the smaller prey that are relatively abundant in rainforest environments, feeding primarily on plant reproductive parts, but does not preclude the capture of large prey, such as Bos (800 kg). Understanding tiger resource acquisition is important to tiger conservation. The integrity of tiger ecotypes should be recognized in the management of captive and wild tigers as a metapopulation or metapopulations. The loss of larger prey types from habitat fragments can be expected to severely affect the survival of tigers in those habitats; larger tigers should be more severely affected than smaller tigers because of their different success-of-capture curves." https://repository.si.edu/bitstream/hand...er1993.pdf 
160kg adult female from Bhutan and a 3 year old sub adult female weighing 110kg from RMNP.
THIMPHU (Kuensel/ANN) – The spotting of an adult female tiger in Kabesa, Thimphu on March 21 came as a big relief to the foresters of the National Tiger Centre (NTC). Officials say they have been searching for tigers in the vast forests of Royal Manas National Park (RMNP) in Bhutan to collar and study.
Five foresters from the nature conservation division (NCD) rescued the threatened cat at 5am on March 22 in the vicinity. NCD officials said the tiger weighed about 160kg. “It ate a goat carcass and drank well,” an official said.
An official from NCD, Sonam Wangdi, said that the tiger would be kept under observation for a few days at the wildlife clinic at Taba, Thimphu. “There is no sign of injury physically, but we’ll have to conduct some tests to be sure,” he said.
He said that it could likely be relocated once it becomes fit.
NTC’s programme director, Tshering Tempa (PhD), who is also a senior Tiger Biologist, was on his way to Thimphu from Gelephu yesterday. “From preliminary information, we think it is not so old,” Tshering Tempa said. *This image is copyright of its original author 160kg female from Kabesa, Thimpu. He said it was uncommon for a tiger to loiter around human settlement. Officials from nature conservation division said that the tiger was one of the tigers captured on camera in the forests between Sinchula, Dochula, and Chamina during the National Tiger Survey in 2015.
Foresters from the NTC said a three-year-old female tiger weighing 110kg was caught and collared on February 9 at the Royal Manas National Park (RMNP).
Locals said that Azha Tag (Uncle Tiger), as fondly referred to by Bhutanese, was a good omen. “Tiger represents authority and order, and witnessing such rare animals nearby villages is believed to be good,” a local resident said.
Residents who saw the tiger shared pictures and videos on social media, which went viral in minutes, prompting some to caution against sharing the images as the cat could fall victim to poachers.
A Changjeykha resident, Deki Seldron and her family, who moved to their new flat on March 20, saw the tiger on the way to work.
Deki was driving in front, closely followed by her husband. When she saw the tiger, she was stunned. “I couldn’t do anything, I was shocked,” she said.
Her four-year-old daughter was in the front seat. “She was very cool because she thought it was a pet,” the mother said. “She was eating sweet potatoes and said if the tiger wanted some sweet potatoes. She wants to see it again.”
Another resident, Cheki, thought the tiger was crossing the road, but it paused for a while and looked at them. “It came very close to us,” she said. “My husband, seeing the tiger, honked from behind and it left the scene.”
Meanwhile, Bhutan has more than 103 tigers in 2015 according to the national survey 2015.
The estimated range of credible numbers in the country was within 84 to 124. The country had around 78 tigers estimated in 1998.
According to the report, Bhutan forms the critical tiger conservation area within the global priority Tiger Conservation Landscape 37 for long-term persistence of the endangered cat species in the Eastern Himalayas.
https://borneobulletin.com.bn/bhutan-conservation-officials-rescue-kabesa-tiger/ 
Lost tiger finds its way to an abandoned rubber factory in Bareilly, next home is zoo
Estimated to be 3-4 years old and weighing 175.5 kg on an empty stomach, he will now spend the rest of his life in Kanpur zoo. An incredible story of survival that began in Haldwani or Pilibhit Tiger Reserve, wound its way through the tall sugarcane fields of western Uttar Pradesh, paused inside an abandoned rubber factory on the outskirts of Bareilly and ended up inside a narrow tunnel; has come to a closure.  *This image is copyright of its original author According to officials and rescuers, the first alarm was raised two months ago near the crumbling factory northwest of the city. As reports of more sightings came in, a team from the UP forest department and the Wildlife Trust of India (WTI) set up camera traps and “rovers” on the premises. For Dr P P Singh, chief conservator of forests (Bareilly) and field director of the Pilibhit Tiger Reserve, the prime concern was that the rescue “should not endanger lives” — human or feline. “We wanted this tiger to be caught in a very scientific manner, so that it didn’t escape from the factory and enter human habitation, potentially attacking people,” he said. “We wanted to understand the routine of the tiger, the exits and entrances it uses, its habits, the areas where it would rest and finally where it slept. The camera traps also told us of the abundant prey populations that lived in the area. Finally, we were able to identify a narrow tunnel where it slept,” said Francis Ishamel Soni, biologist, WTI. Abandoned since the late 1980s following a legal dispute that is still in court, the factory is said to have been Asia’s largest at one point of time. Until it became covered with dense vegetation and became a home to herds of nilgai and blackbuck. The team finally found where it hid — a narrow tunnel, inside a 50×20 ft room, with old power panels on the inside perimeter. “We peeped in once to see if the tiger was visible during the day. When we realised it was, we managed to dart and tranquillise him,” said Mayukh Chatterjee, who heads WTI’s human-wildlife conflict mitigation team. “Afterwards, the team crawled into the tunnel, with a stretcher and somehow managed to drag it out,” he said. Expecting the tiger to be released into the forest, a satellite collar had been procured. But then, the rescuers found that the second claw on its right fore leg had been ripped off and was infected, a puncture wound between the second and the third digit was also infected while three claws on its right hind limb virtually worn off. “It is possible that the puncture wound is from a metal rod or a porcupine quill. The area is littered with rusted metal, broken asbestos, rods and chemicals. All of this could be potential causes for the injuries,” said Chatterjee. It was then decided that he would be moved to Kanpur zoo. 
@Rishi
The report does not make it clear whether his injuries were really incapacitating, and it seems that the solution that logistically was the easiest prevailed. Just one note that fits all tigers in this situation: without a permanent inept / incapacitating problem, you should never end up in a zoo. It is understood that it is far from protected areas and very close to densely populated areas, but its adaptation in this place was due to the existence of a large number of large prey. Living close to humans and not developing predatory behavior is always very positive .... this tiger has proven to be adapted enough to inhabit any other area. Tigers with such behaviors should be immensely valued, since it is what in the future may be a primary survival factor, that is, ignore people as prey. There are several issues I can not measure / judge ... but we all know that countless tigers and other felines are "incarcerated" for stupid reasons. "In that case, he was just a young man of dispersal age looking for a place to live!" (05-04-2018, 09:42 PM)Matias Wrote: @Rishi True. But if they'd made a collar for him, but aborted the plans on seeing his condition, the issues must have been grave enough! His weight seems too low for a young-adult terai male as well. Although no further data have been released, i suspect he'd caught a disease... (05-08-2018, 12:34 PM)Rishi Wrote:(05-04-2018, 09:42 PM)Matias Wrote: @Rishi He was severely injured and young while living in a farming area near the city for 2 months. His claw infection will be treated and he'll be released once he's healed up. I'd guess he was forced out by older males and was looking for a safe place to recover but just so happened to make his way to a human settlement.
So he was injured from infighting according the one of the men involved in the capture and relocation.
Cause : Natural death.
A full grown tiger was found dead at Chikhaldara in Melghat Tiger Reserve (MTR) on Sunday. With a height of 125cm and length of 285cm, the tiger named T14 was the dominant male of Chikhaldara range for the last six years. According to sources, T14 had till now produced 30 cubs and the tiger was recorded in camera traps since 2013 and was last sighted on November 3, 2015. The putrefied carcass of the tiger was found by foresters Ashish Kokate, Satyafulla Solankhee and others during patrolling in Pachamba forest beat. Field director Dinesh Tyagi, deputy conservator of forests (DyCF), RK Wankhede, assistant conservator (ACF) Vishal Mali along with honorary wildlife warden Jayant Wadatkar and assistant commissioner of animal husbandry at Achalpur Dr VS Rahate rushed to the spot. Dr Rahate said prima facie it seems to be a natural death since there had been no tampering with the carcass. The tiger might have died of sunstroke. The carcass was five days old and in a highly decomposed state. Forest officials have sent samples of viscera, lungs, heart, stomach contents, maggots and water for forensic analysis at Nagpur to confirm the exact cause of death. The field director ruled out poaching as all the body parts such as skull, jaws, canines, nails and paws were intact. (Representational image)  *This image is copyright of its original author That's a really tall tiger btw.
Weights of Choti Taras Sub Adult males from Dr. Habib
"162 AND 173 BH" That's a good size for both, I'd guess both are a little less than 2 years old at the moment, so it's safe to assume both will be 200+ kg Males.
Chota Matka 162kg and Tarachand 173kg? that’s a decent weight for sub adult males, in their prime. they will go over 220kg + easily. I’m not that much interested in weights anymore but I’d be curious to see how much Bajrang weighs in the winter. he’s a mammoth literally. tfs!
MB2 is 195kg and a little over 2 years old, I’ll share where I obtained this info and the video tomorrow. I’m still waiting on measurements which may be shared later today.
It’s safe to assume the Umarpani male is a 250kg tiger as the video of them fighting recently shows that Uma still has a significant size advantage on him.
Umarpani is easily much bigger than MB2 as well. now I’m curious about Umarpani’s weight. Tfs !
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