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Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers

India Rishi Offline
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( This post was last modified: 08-01-2017, 03:22 PM by Rishi )

Quote:Five poachers arrested, tiger skin seized


According to forest department officials, personnel froPanbari Range of Manas National Park caught the five poachers near the park this morning.

The poachers have been identified as Sanjiv Basumatary (30), Ranjan Doimary (26), Sunil Bodo (30), Badu Bodo (45) and Bonaru Bodo (24).

"The forest department also recovered a skin of a panther tiger of 117 feet length, 157 pieces of tiger bones and a hand made gun," officials said.

The officials said that the poachers have confessed of killing the tiger on April 25 inside the Park.


So, the above incident took place the day-before-yesterday & the news was shared on FB.
What struck my eye was that the measurements of the tiger-hide had been mentioned (albeit incorrectly).

Luckily Mr. Hiten Bora, who works at the Wildlife Crime Control Bureau of the GoI, commented there posting the real photo (a representative image was used in the article) of the seized skin:


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I took the chance to confirm (it could have been 117inches) the true, technically over-the-curve length of the tiger. Although, the big guy is sadly gone now...

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(12-20-2016, 12:33 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(12-19-2016, 06:26 PM)Roflcopters Wrote:
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So i got a hold of Sunal Kumar Roamin of Wildlife Institute of India and asked him a few questions regarding p212's weight.

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205kg - P212 
218kg - unknown male
Nice find Copters.


Vijayarajan Muthu

Meet P212, the male tiger from Panna who was presumably unheard of in Kanha. Please do take a moment to read this.
He was born in 2010 to the Indri Tigress who was trans-located to Panna in 2009 & believed to have been sired by T-3, the Male brought in from Pench. As a strapping young radio-collared lad, P 212 left the park in 2014 and headed towards Bandhavgarh, traversing through human settlements in a journey which perhaps created history by retracing a lost corridor between the two parks. The Panna authorities monitored him closely during this period and needless to mention, the radio-collar turned out to be of immense value.
Within a month of his departure from Panna, a decision was taken to shift P212 to the lesser known Sanjay Dubri Tiger Reserve. No sooner did he arrive at SDTR, P212 courted with two resident females and sired litters of 4 and 5 cubs respectively by late 2014. All was hunky dory until another Male (SD005) crossed his path. As is the norm, the rival Male began wandering into P212’s territory which resulted in brutal fights for supremacy. After a series of battles, P212 was left badly injured & had lost all his canines. But the true fighter that he was, the SDTR authorities decided not to tranquilize him for medical aid as he seemed to recover naturally, albeit with a limp.
However, in a remarkable turn of events during the summers of 2015, SD005 male appeared to have plotted a move to eliminate the cubs sired by P212 and the females ran for cover. It was believed that P212 ushered the female & cubs to safety in a ravine and went back to fight it out with the intruder, a broken leg & loss of canines didn’t seem to deter him. At the end of the final brutal battle which lasted a few days, P212 eventually succumbed to injuries and died a heroic death. While most (injured) males flee the scene during such hostile takeover bids, P212 chose to stay put and go down fighting. He may have lost his life but ended up saving his offspring and thereby leaving a huge legacy behind.
He was given a grand funeral and the forest personnel remember him fondly as a legend of SDTR. Although not much is known of the rival male who must have wandered off to other parts of the park which had 2 other resident females, the mates of P212 and his 9 cubs are believed to be still ruling SDTR.
I’ve shared the true story of P212 (as per info obtained from the authorities & sources of SDTR) at our forum since he was a direct descendant of our very own Indri / Pattewala / Limping Male / Heartshape female. Kanha’s genes are not only alive & kicking in Panna but also in Sanjay Dubri Tiger Reserve now. Info as well as photos courtesy : SDTR.

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Raman Kalika Srivastava Good account Sri Vijayarajan Muthu and Anupam Sirohiji
However, there are a couple of corrections, which I would like to bring to your notice. They were posted way back in August 2015 along with the the photographs that you have reposted
P212 was killed by sd005 who is original inhabitant of sdtr and was under park monitoring since past year and a half. It fought way back in April 2014 just about a fortnight after p 212 was introduced. P212 was treated by a team of doctors for more than a week to help it heal its wounds. It was twice tranquillised in jul 2014 and in 2015. No radio collar could be put on it due to deep neck wound it had sustained, in fact it was decollared and monitored for next nine months without radio collars. Wii team radio collared it in May 2015, detailed account is there in the Facebook page of sdtr.
Prior to 2013, there was no evidence of resident tigers, they were believed to be using sdtr as a stepping stone. There has been no case of poaching or poisoning of any individual since then. For the first time we are witnessing the presence of resident tigers with regular litters surviving under park monitoring.
Thanks and regards

Hie everyone,
Just joined "wildfact" as i came to know some threads are here about tigers and conservation issues.plus our names are being circulated(now posts are old & dated).

Just for start:
Thanks for giving some importance to our dear p212.
Our team of researchers from Wildlife Institute of India found out that He is blend of old panna genes and kanha.thats why he was so important.!
Only 3 individuals(1st liter of reintroduced female T2) i:e; 2males and a female caring old panna genes,not the T3's.
As panna genes were believed to be extinct,this news bought a huge cheer among us! 
But P212 Rarely shown 'individual fit for wild' characteristics after he injured in territorial fight at panna(begining of 2013).and he had already left the park in 2012(same time we found about old panna connection of his). So all the hard work we did was to keep the old panna gene revival in the landscape. That we achieved in the end just before the heroic end of P212's life as individual.
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Hello @Sunalroamin, Welcome to the forum and many thanks for joining us.
It is always good to have people like you with real experience with research and measurement in the filed. I am sure you will find interesting information to read and also you can enrich community with your first hand experience.
Let us know if you have any kind of problem in the community
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Hi @Sunalroamin ,
Welcome to the forum.
Its really nice to have someone like you who can share first hand info and data.
If possible do share your experience and more info on different tigers.

Thanks
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@Sunalroamin Welcome to the forum
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Pictures and information taken from the book The Way of The Tiger (K. Ullas Karanth)
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(11-24-2016, 03:24 AM)Pckts Wrote: 1) Tiger named poochkanta exceeded 230 kg. (Sinha via facebook)


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2) Tiger Konda and Banda both exceeded scale of 225 kg in 2007, in Kanha national park. (Minh Ha via facebook). Tiger son of BMW of pench weighed 225 kg at 2.5 years old, after death. And a female tiger, also mentioned at the bottom, weighed 145 kg at 2.5 years old, weighed in 2008.


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Hey pckts, are these sources for weights credible? Who are these guys?
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@paul cooper
Ujjwal K. Sinha is wildlife ecologist in Wildlife Institute of India (WII).

Minh Ha closely follows tiger sightings &..knows people.
"Everything not saved will be lost."

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(11-30-2017, 07:03 AM)paul cooper Wrote:
(11-24-2016, 03:24 AM)Pckts Wrote: 1) Tiger named poochkanta exceeded 230 kg. (Sinha via facebook)


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2) Tiger Konda and Banda both exceeded scale of 225 kg in 2007, in Kanha national park. (Minh Ha via facebook). Tiger son of BMW of pench weighed 225 kg at 2.5 years old, after death. And a female tiger, also mentioned at the bottom, weighed 145 kg at 2.5 years old, weighed in 2008.


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Hey pckts, are these sources for weights credible? Who are these guys?
@Pckts 

Do you have the original facebook posts for these weights??
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( This post was last modified: 11-30-2017, 08:19 PM by Rishi )

Lat two years saw a lot of tiger dispersal in the Terai landscape. That means more tigers in unprotected forests & more poaching.

On 27th March this year, a poacher's aide with a gigantic tiger skin of 10feet 11 inches was arrested, on the Assam-Arunachal border.

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A tiger-skin was recovered on 15th May, 2016 in Raiwala area of Uttarakhand's Dehradun district, by Uttrakhand Police's 8-man Special Task Force.
Four men were caught along with a tiger skin over 11-feet long & 7-feet wide, with a skull and 25kg bones. There's a man's legs visible...

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Exactly, 2-months earlier another raid had 5 tigers skins nagbed, the largest one near 12-feet-long & 125kg tiger bones from 5 men.

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On 21st March, 2016 another skin of 11-feet was recovered by police in Alipurduar's Hasimara, North Bengal.

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About one year prior that, on 15th March 2015 in Assam, another skin 11-feet long & 7-feet wide were recovered, with 25.3kg bones.

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11footer from 2010..

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(11-30-2017, 07:22 AM)Rishi Wrote: @paul cooper
Ujjwal K. Sinha is wildlife ecologist in Wildlife Institute of India (WII).

Minh Ha closely follows tiger sightings &..knows people.

Do you have the original posts so i can confirm these weights????
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https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10344-016-1026-9
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(02-04-2018, 07:46 PM)Diamir2 Wrote:
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https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10344-016-1026-9

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

- The tigers in the article are (reintroduced) Panna tigers. The Panna Tiger Reserve is in central India.

- All tigers were collared in the period 2009-2015.

- Male tiger (T3) was 200 kg. at 60 months of age.

- Five females ranged between 95-150 kg. (average 119,2 kg.). In age, they ranged between 42-80 months (average 55).

- There was a debate about the weights of the tigers. The rounded numbers point towards estimates.
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I don't know if this is the right thread to post this, but I was wondering if you think that Bengal tigers are the biggest subspecies? 


I think the big Siberian tigers we hear about are mainly captive ones that have been selectively bred from exceptionally large tigers, and that in the wild Bengal tigers are bigger than Siberian ones or at least are of the same size.

Maybe Siberian tigers were just over glorified in size, same way the size of the Baraby lion was too overestimated. 

But I'm no expert and that's just my personal opinion, which is most likely wrong. So I'd be happy if you correct me.
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(02-20-2018, 09:47 PM)Amayas Wrote: I don't know if this is the right thread to post this, but I was wondering if you think that Bengal tigers are the biggest subspecies? 


I think the big Siberian tigers we hear about are mainly captive ones that have been selectively bred from exceptionally large tigers, and that in the wild Bengal tigers are bigger than Siberian ones or at least are of the same size.

Maybe Siberian tigers were just over glorified in size, same way the size of the Baraby lion was too overestimated. 

But I'm no expert and that's just my personal opinion, which is most likely wrong. So I'd be happy if you correct me.

You are correct bengal tigers are the biggest modern wild cats on earth . The average of amur tigers was slightly bigger in the past than today. However there are "realible"( not confirmed at all ) weights of amur tigers to up to 300+ kilo in the past mazak for example quote some of them bengal tigers reached that weights too. The biggest ever lived wild cat was a bengal tiger and they were and are the biggest on average . At least from my knowledge . Peter pckts guate grizzlyclaws and co knows more about that. They can give youthe data you want to know.
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