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(09-21-2022, 05:59 PM)Pckts Wrote: @"Khan85"
I saw the link abhisingh is speaking about, the weight looks to be estimated but that being said, YK was involved, can you ask him about it.
(09-21-2022, 05:59 PM)Pckts Wrote: @"Khan85"
I saw the link abhisingh is speaking about, the weight looks to be estimated but that being said, YK was involved, can you ask him about it.
Not saying he’s not, wording on the article states “he must have” meaning it’s an estimate and since khan is specifically in conversation with the field director quoted in the operation at this moment that’s why I brought it to his attention. Also when T24 was originally captured for this operation he was stated to be 240kg so I’d be curious what the details were.
(09-21-2022, 05:59 PM)Pckts Wrote: @"Khan85"
I saw the link abhisingh is speaking about, the weight looks to be estimated but that being said, YK was involved, can you ask him about it.
Not saying he’s not, wording on the article states “he must have” meaning it’s an estimate and since khan is specifically in conversation with the field director quoted in the operation at this moment that’s why I brought it to his attention. Also when T24 was originally captured for this operation he was stated to be 240kg so I’d be curious what the details were.
yeah i read at several places on wildfact ,perhaps 240kg is associated with ustaad first capture in 2009 when he was little under age 4 . found no documentation of it . ustaad is son of jhumroo , it does looks estimate by the words , but then dr khandal estimate won't be off by much given ustaad bloodline. yes if field director gives more clairty and ustaad is measured or weighted then it would be nice .
(09-21-2022, 05:59 PM)Pckts Wrote: @"Khan85"
I saw the link abhisingh is speaking about, the weight looks to be estimated but that being said, YK was involved, can you ask him about it.
Not saying he’s not, wording on the article states “he must have” meaning it’s an estimate and since khan is specifically in conversation with the field director quoted in the operation at this moment that’s why I brought it to his attention. Also when T24 was originally captured for this operation he was stated to be 240kg so I’d be curious what the details were.
yeah i read at several places on wildfact ,perhaps 240kg is associated with ustaad first capture in 2009 when he was little under age 4 . found no documentation of it . ustaad is son of jhumroo , it does looks estimate by the words , but then dr khandal estimate won't be off by much given ustaad bloodline. yes if field director gives more clairty and ustaad is measured or weighted then it would be nice .
Even though the story was posted in 2018 I’m assuming this was in regards to his first capture when he was treated for intestinal issues which seems to be the case with this story.
(09-21-2022, 05:59 PM)Pckts Wrote: @"Khan85"
I saw the link abhisingh is speaking about, the weight looks to be estimated but that being said, YK was involved, can you ask him about it.
Not saying he’s not, wording on the article states “he must have” meaning it’s an estimate and since khan is specifically in conversation with the field director quoted in the operation at this moment that’s why I brought it to his attention. Also when T24 was originally captured for this operation he was stated to be 240kg so I’d be curious what the details were.
yeah i read at several places on wildfact ,perhaps 240kg is associated with ustaad first capture in 2009 when he was little under age 4 . found no documentation of it . ustaad is son of jhumroo , it does looks estimate by the words , but then dr khandal estimate won't be off by much given ustaad bloodline. yes if field director gives more clairty and ustaad is measured or weighted then it would be nice .
Even though the story was posted in 2018 I’m assuming this was in regards to his first capture when he was treated for intestinal issues which seems to be the case with this story.
the story mentions he had already killed 3 humans , so it should be final capture 2015 may be .
09-22-2022, 02:14 AM( This post was last modified: 09-22-2022, 02:25 AM by Pckts )
(09-22-2022, 01:15 AM)abhisingh7 Wrote:
(09-22-2022, 12:10 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(09-22-2022, 12:04 AM)abhisingh7 Wrote:
(09-21-2022, 11:48 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(09-21-2022, 11:20 PM)abhisingh7 Wrote:
(09-21-2022, 05:59 PM)Pckts Wrote: @"Khan85"
I saw the link abhisingh is speaking about, the weight looks to be estimated but that being said, YK was involved, can you ask him about it.
Not saying he’s not, wording on the article states “he must have” meaning it’s an estimate and since khan is specifically in conversation with the field director quoted in the operation at this moment that’s why I brought it to his attention. Also when T24 was originally captured for this operation he was stated to be 240kg so I’d be curious what the details were.
yeah i read at several places on wildfact ,perhaps 240kg is associated with ustaad first capture in 2009 when he was little under age 4 . found no documentation of it . ustaad is son of jhumroo , it does looks estimate by the words , but then dr khandal estimate won't be off by much given ustaad bloodline. yes if field director gives more clairty and ustaad is measured or weighted then it would be nice .
Even though the story was posted in 2018 I’m assuming this was in regards to his first capture when he was treated for intestinal issues which seems to be the case with this story.
the story mentions he had already killed 3 humans , so it should be final capture 2015 may be .
Yeah that would be the case. First he was captured for constipation, then I’m not sure if he captured again a separate occasion then finally for the human predation where he was put in an enclosure around 2015 I believe?
(09-21-2022, 05:59 PM)Pckts Wrote: @"Khan85"
I saw the link abhisingh is speaking about, the weight looks to be estimated but that being said, YK was involved, can you ask him about it.
Not saying he’s not, wording on the article states “he must have” meaning it’s an estimate and since khan is specifically in conversation with the field director quoted in the operation at this moment that’s why I brought it to his attention. Also when T24 was originally captured for this operation he was stated to be 240kg so I’d be curious what the details were.
yeah i read at several places on wildfact ,perhaps 240kg is associated with ustaad first capture in 2009 when he was little under age 4 . found no documentation of it . ustaad is son of jhumroo , it does looks estimate by the words , but then dr khandal estimate won't be off by much given ustaad bloodline. yes if field director gives more clairty and ustaad is measured or weighted then it would be nice .
Even though the story was posted in 2018 I’m assuming this was in regards to his first capture when he was treated for intestinal issues which seems to be the case with this story.
the story mentions he had already killed 3 humans , so it should be final capture 2015 may be .
Yeah that would be the case. First he was captured for constipation, then I’m not sure if he captured again a separate occasion then finally for the human predation where he was put in an enclosure around 2015 I believe?
he was captured as a sub adult too, second was the constipation and on his third capture. he was exiled forever.
(08-21-2022, 07:51 PM)acutidens150 Wrote: Is it true that the Siberian tiger averages 220 kg? Some person said WWF stated the average weight of Siberian tigers is of 220 kg. Should I consider this reliable or unreliable?
The historic average based in 10 confirmed males is of 216.5 kg, and if we include the evicerated male of 250 kg (which could weight up to 270 kg at least) the average of the 11 males could be about 219.5 - 221.3 kg.
So, confirmed weights will be about 216 - 219 kg, but using the estimated male of over 270 kg, it will surpass the 220 kg.
Now, just a clarification, the male tiger of 249.5 kg is not the same male of 250 kg. The male of 249.5 kg was recorded by scientists and weighed 230 kg "evicerated" (specimen stuffed in the American Museum of Natural History), the other male of 250 kg was recorded by Baikov and was "evicerated" in that moment, so using the 20 kg of diference from the previous male, we can estimate a "complete" weight of no less than 270 kg, as big as the biggest modern Bengal tigers. That is why the more I dig, the more I am sure that Bengal and Amur tigers are of the same size and represent the maximum size reached by the Holocene tiger.
(09-04-2022, 01:39 PM)Khan85 Wrote: T28 Sitara's post mortem report and some information about Panna tigers
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Panna tigers
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Interesting thing to notice: The combination used on Panna tigers since 2012 is xylazine and ketamine. Xylazine is an effective sedative analgesic that induces vomiting in cats particularly when administered through subcutaneous or intramuscular routes. This same mixture has been used in recent tiger tranquilizations as well, like in Maharashtra ( was used on tigers Gabbar and Jai).
Great information, it will be included in the tables. Thanks for sharing.
(08-20-2022, 09:35 PM)LonePredator Wrote: Hello @GuateGojira, how are you doing? There is something I would like to discuss about Madla from Panna, would you share your opinion with me on this?
So there is a lot of confusion about his weight, did he not exceed the 250kg scale?? Then why is his weight still stated as 230kg??
Do you think it’s really likely that he had 20kg+ stomach content? Especially when Chundawat even stated once that Madla was only PARTIALLY full and not really gorged.
From his pictures we can see that Madla was very similar in shape to the M-105 Sauraha male but was larger in dimensions, so how is it possible that a Tiger with almost the same shape as M-105 but larger dimensions weigh only 230kg while M-105 weighs 260-275kg?
Would a merely 230kg Tiger really break records? Madla had 7.5cm canines which is the highest known for any Tiger so should we really assume he was just 230kg even after all this??
Madla also did not really seem to have an unusually thick neck or anything, very similar in shape to M-105 but still his neck girth was 10cm higher so doesn’t it suggest that Madla was just isometrically larger than M-105 in terms of dimensions??
Isn’t 230kg common for male Bengal Tigers these days?? In all his descriptions this Tiger is stated to be ‘exceptional’ and even his actual weight of 250kg+ suggests he was an exceptional male so why is it pushed that he was just 230kg?
If you want more details, I can help you. By the way, canine length length is not related with overall size, nor the neck girth and Madly could had more fat or skin in the neck than Sauraha, so no big deal on that.
(08-20-2022, 09:35 PM)LonePredator Wrote: Hello @GuateGojira, how are you doing? There is something I would like to discuss about Madla from Panna, would you share your opinion with me on this?
So there is a lot of confusion about his weight, did he not exceed the 250kg scale?? Then why is his weight still stated as 230kg??
Do you think it’s really likely that he had 20kg+ stomach content? Especially when Chundawat even stated once that Madla was only PARTIALLY full and not really gorged.
From his pictures we can see that Madla was very similar in shape to the M-105 Sauraha male but was larger in dimensions, so how is it possible that a Tiger with almost the same shape as M-105 but larger dimensions weigh only 230kg while M-105 weighs 260-275kg?
Would a merely 230kg Tiger really break records? Madla had 7.5cm canines which is the highest known for any Tiger so should we really assume he was just 230kg even after all this??
Madla also did not really seem to have an unusually thick neck or anything, very similar in shape to M-105 but still his neck girth was 10cm higher so doesn’t it suggest that Madla was just isometrically larger than M-105 in terms of dimensions??
Isn’t 230kg common for male Bengal Tigers these days?? In all his descriptions this Tiger is stated to be ‘exceptional’ and even his actual weight of 250kg+ suggests he was an exceptional male so why is it pushed that he was just 230kg?
If you want more details, I can help you. By the way, canine length length is not related with overall size, nor the neck girth and Madly could had more fat or skin in the neck than Sauraha, so no big deal on that.
Greetings.
in the video (madla capture) chundawat was seen measuring madla , you should try to contact chundawat and get measurements and final words to end this debate on madla .
(10-04-2022, 06:33 PM)abhisingh7 Wrote: in the video (madla capture) chundawat was seen measuring madla , you should try to contact chundawat and get measurements and final words to end this debate on madla .
I already tried, but he did not answered. Also, he already published an entire book about all his studies on tigers and even then, he did not published any data on measurements, only the weights and the conclutions that I already showed before.
Please take in count that while Madla surpassed Sauraha in canine length and neck girth, these are the only measurements that we know about him, so we can't guess if the Indian guy was actually bigger than the Nepalese one. Also, and this is very important for all us, the measurements that we know about Sauraha are those taken in 1975, when he bottomed the scale of 500 lb, so I am quite sure that he was bigger in the next captures until 1979, when he constantly bottomed the scale of 600 lb.
It was confirmed that he was indeed weighed using a scale and there was only some undigested food in him, not gorged.
Who confirmed that if you don't mind?
Again the verbiage of "approx" is concerning.
Also can you find out the protocol used?
His measurements are fairly normal for a large male except for a shorter shoulder height. He's got good length but short shoulder and a decent chest, so overall he's definitely a good sized male which we all knew but protocol will make a big difference.
If we were to compare him to Branders and assuming Wagdoh was measured in a straight line, Waghdoh would be shorter in length and shoulder and smaller at the chest. So with all things equal, it's safe to assume Wagdoh was probably a 225-250kg Male when empty.
Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers
