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Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions

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(10-08-2022, 01:04 AM)Jerricson Wrote: Some information on lions from Phinda GR , which I managed to get from the vet couple of weeks back.


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@GuateGojira I think thats a record for the largest female cat captured but I'm not sure what would be the actual weight of that specimen , when accounting for the feed and measurement errors(implants) involved.

Great information! About the lioness, that is definitely not a normal specimen, surelly not a record but an abnormality created by hormones. Is like if a woman take esteroids!
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(10-08-2022, 01:26 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:
(10-08-2022, 01:04 AM)Jerricson Wrote: Some information on lions from Phinda GR , which I managed to get from the vet couple of weeks back.


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@GuateGojira I think thats a record for the largest female cat captured but I'm not sure what would be the actual weight of that specimen , when accounting for the feed and measurement errors(implants) involved.

Great information! About the lioness, that is definitely not a normal specimen, surelly not a record but an abnormality created by hormones. Is like if a woman take esteroids!
Yeah, no doubt the Implants caused the abnormal weight.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7552215/

This again is another reason I dislike these Private Reserves.
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(10-08-2022, 09:57 PM)Pckts Wrote: This again is another reason I dislike these Private Reserves.

I breezed through the article you linked. So what are the implants? Are they basically a bag of that drug that gets time released through many months? Is it like a pump? I've heard of humans having a pump or "implant" with an opiate like Morphine for pain management. Is it like that  but with hormones? And why do they do it to cats?
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(10-09-2022, 10:02 AM)BigLion39 Wrote:
(10-08-2022, 09:57 PM)Pckts Wrote: This again is another reason I dislike these Private Reserves.

I breezed through the article you linked. So what are the implants? Are they basically a bag of that drug that gets time released through many months? Is it like a pump? I've heard of humans having a pump or "implant" with an opiate like Morphine for pain management. Is it like that  but with hormones? And why do they do it to cats?

My guess would be to make the Lioness more likely to produce cubs. Why they’d do this is unknown but I think because private reserves have limited “inventory” they probably need advantages to ensure their cats will produce they can restock or sell.
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250 kg lion from gorongosa national park Mozambique




the source comes from the description of the video
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(10-09-2022, 02:52 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote: 250 kg lion from gorongosa national park Mozambique




the source comes from the description of the video

No Scales on site during capture.
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(10-09-2022, 03:13 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 02:52 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote: 250 kg lion from gorongosa national park Mozambique




the source comes from the description of the video

No Scales on site during capture.

it's a question or a statement?
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(10-09-2022, 08:46 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 03:13 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 02:52 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote: 250 kg lion from gorongosa national park Mozambique




the source comes from the description of the video

No Scales on site during capture.

it's a question or a statement?
Meaning the weight is likely estimated.
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(10-09-2022, 09:28 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 08:46 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 03:13 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 02:52 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote: 250 kg lion from gorongosa national park Mozambique




the source comes from the description of the video

No Scales on site during capture.

it's a question or a statement?
Meaning the weight is likely estimated.


we don't know and even if there were no scales on the capture site, they brought him back to the park center (chitengo camp) where I imagine they have all the necessary tools
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(10-09-2022, 10:32 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 09:28 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 08:46 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 03:13 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 02:52 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote: 250 kg lion from gorongosa national park Mozambique




the source comes from the description of the video

No Scales on site during capture.

it's a question or a statement?
Meaning the weight is likely estimated.


we don't know and even if there were no scales on the capture site, they brought him back to the park center (chitengo camp) where I imagine they have all the necessary tools
They show the release, so it’s most likely not the case.
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( This post was last modified: 10-10-2022, 06:20 PM by Mwarcaar )

(10-10-2022, 12:10 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 10:32 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 09:28 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 08:46 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 03:13 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 02:52 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote: 250 kg lion from gorongosa national park Mozambique




the source comes from the description of the video

No Scales on site during capture.

it's a question or a statement?
Meaning the weight is likely estimated.


we don't know and even if there were no scales on the capture site, they brought him back to the park center (chitengo camp) where I imagine they have all the necessary tools
They show the release, so it’s most likely not the case.


again we don't know and then if it needed video or photo proof for each wild lion or tiger weight then 90% of the weights on this website are estimates, because for most of the weights there are only paper documents and words and which in addition most of them are from the last century
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(10-10-2022, 06:05 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-10-2022, 12:10 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 10:32 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 09:28 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 08:46 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 03:13 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 02:52 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote: 250 kg lion from gorongosa national park Mozambique




the source comes from the description of the video

No Scales on site during capture.

it's a question or a statement?
Meaning the weight is likely estimated.


we don't know and even if there were no scales on the capture site, they brought him back to the park center (chitengo camp) where I imagine they have all the necessary tools
They show the release, so it’s most likely not the case.


again we don't know and then if it needed video or photo proof for each wild lion or tiger weight then 90% of the weights on this website are estimates, because for most of the weights there are only paper documents and words and which in addition most of them are from the last century

It's case by case. The same thing happened with Caesar. Everyone claimed he was weighed because Rueben said so but during the capture there was no weighing equipment on site. We finally reached out to them and they said he was never weighed since they had no equipment on hand. 
It's very rare to have video of the entire capture, so it's only natural to have questions when no weighing is shown. Especially when someone uses nice round numbers with no details and shuts comments off.
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(10-10-2022, 11:03 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-10-2022, 06:05 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-10-2022, 12:10 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 10:32 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 09:28 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 08:46 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 03:13 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 02:52 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote: 250 kg lion from gorongosa national park Mozambique




the source comes from the description of the video

No Scales on site during capture.

it's a question or a statement?
Meaning the weight is likely estimated.


we don't know and even if there were no scales on the capture site, they brought him back to the park center (chitengo camp) where I imagine they have all the necessary tools
They show the release, so it’s most likely not the case.


again we don't know and then if it needed video or photo proof for each wild lion or tiger weight then 90% of the weights on this website are estimates, because for most of the weights there are only paper documents and words and which in addition most of them are from the last century

It's case by case. The same thing happened with Caesar. Everyone claimed he was weighed because Rueben said so but during the capture there was no weighing equipment on site. We finally reached out to them and they said he was never weighed since they had no equipment on hand. 
It's very rare to have video of the entire capture, so it's only natural to have questions when no weighing is shown. Especially when someone uses nice round numbers with no details and shuts comments off.

unlike Caesar, it's not just anyone who claims 250 kg, here it's the gorongosa national park
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(10-11-2022, 04:39 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-10-2022, 11:03 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-10-2022, 06:05 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-10-2022, 12:10 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 10:32 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 09:28 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 08:46 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 03:13 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 02:52 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote: 250 kg lion from gorongosa national park Mozambique




the source comes from the description of the video

No Scales on site during capture.

it's a question or a statement?
Meaning the weight is likely estimated.


we don't know and even if there were no scales on the capture site, they brought him back to the park center (chitengo camp) where I imagine they have all the necessary tools
They show the release, so it’s most likely not the case.


again we don't know and then if it needed video or photo proof for each wild lion or tiger weight then 90% of the weights on this website are estimates, because for most of the weights there are only paper documents and words and which in addition most of them are from the last century

It's case by case. The same thing happened with Caesar. Everyone claimed he was weighed because Rueben said so but during the capture there was no weighing equipment on site. We finally reached out to them and they said he was never weighed since they had no equipment on hand. 
It's very rare to have video of the entire capture, so it's only natural to have questions when no weighing is shown. Especially when someone uses nice round numbers with no details and shuts comments off.

unlike Caesar, it's not just anyone who claims 250 kg, here it's the gorongosa national park
No, its Paola Bouley. A “national park” doesn’t speak.
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(10-11-2022, 05:05 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-11-2022, 04:39 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-10-2022, 11:03 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-10-2022, 06:05 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-10-2022, 12:10 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 10:32 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 09:28 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 08:46 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 03:13 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(10-09-2022, 02:52 PM)Mwarcaar Wrote: 250 kg lion from gorongosa national park Mozambique




the source comes from the description of the video

No Scales on site during capture.

it's a question or a statement?
Meaning the weight is likely estimated.


we don't know and even if there were no scales on the capture site, they brought him back to the park center (chitengo camp) where I imagine they have all the necessary tools
They show the release, so it’s most likely not the case.


again we don't know and then if it needed video or photo proof for each wild lion or tiger weight then 90% of the weights on this website are estimates, because for most of the weights there are only paper documents and words and which in addition most of them are from the last century

It's case by case. The same thing happened with Caesar. Everyone claimed he was weighed because Rueben said so but during the capture there was no weighing equipment on site. We finally reached out to them and they said he was never weighed since they had no equipment on hand. 
It's very rare to have video of the entire capture, so it's only natural to have questions when no weighing is shown. Especially when someone uses nice round numbers with no details and shuts comments off.

unlike Caesar, it's not just anyone who claims 250 kg, here it's the gorongosa national park
No, its Paola Bouley. A “national park” doesn’t speak.


in this case the word of paola bouley is the word of gorongosa national park. she is responsible for lion study and conservation in this park

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