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(04-18-2021, 04:06 PM)Potato Wrote: Some lion action and some possible changes in the near future. The young Giraffe male was chased of by the Hercules Male and he settled with some of the Giraffe pride lionesses. Also saw the Avova pride. Looked like the lion prides walked into each other during the night and Avoca pride put some distance between them and the males.
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Actually, the Sumatra male chased off the Giraffe young male.
(04-18-2021, 04:06 PM)Potato Wrote: Some lion action and some possible changes in the near future. The young Giraffe male was chased of by the Hercules Male and he settled with some of the Giraffe pride lionesses. Also saw the Avova pride. Looked like the lion prides walked into each other during the night and Avoca pride put some distance between them and the males.
Dont understand..
Hercules and Sumatra with Giraffe pride? Where are Monwanas? Or is his Giraffe (subadults) breakeaway gruop which is not with Monwanas?
I am not sure, but I do not think there are two groups of Giraffe pride. There was a split when the Monwanas were takingover, I do not think they remained split tho. It seems Monwanas are minding their own bussines further north for now and the Giraffe pride probably will return north as well duo to Sumatra/Hercules males presence at Shindzela.
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(04-18-2021, 06:01 PM)Potato Wrote: I am not sure, but I do not think there are two groups of Giraffe pride. There was a split when the Monwanas were takingover, I do not think they remained split tho. It seems Monwanas are minding their own bussines further north for now and the Giraffe pride probably will return north as well duo to Sumatra/Hercules males presence at Shindzela.
You sure theres not 2 Giraffe gruops? Because i never seen pictures of Monwanas with these subadults, only with few older females and further north..
From his description it looks like Sumatra and Hercules hang out with Giraffe pride as they where lying with them and encounter Avoca pride together..
There where 4 Giraffe lionesses and young male.. Does anyone know how many Giraffe pride has members in total?
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(04-18-2021, 06:01 PM)Potato Wrote: I am not sure, but I do not think there are two groups of Giraffe pride. There was a split when the Monwanas were takingover, I do not think they remained split tho. It seems Monwanas are minding their own bussines further north for now and the Giraffe pride probably will return north as well duo to Sumatra/Hercules males presence at Shindzela.
You sure theres not 2 Giraffe gruops? Because i never seen pictures of Monwanas with these subadults, only with few older females and further north..
From his description it looks like Sumatra and Hercules hang out with Giraffe pride as they where lying with them and encounter Avoca pride together..
There where 4 Giraffe lionesses and young male.. Does anyone know how many Giraffe pride has members in total?
Within the group that the Sumatra male was seen is missing one female. So, If we count the missing lioness,then there are 5 lionesses and 1 young male.
The Monwana males and Giraffe pride were eight members in total, Perhaps, the Sumatra male is with the same group that the Monwana males once move. I'll ask for that anyways
(04-18-2021, 06:20 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: You sure theres not 2 Giraffe gruops? Because i never seen pictures of Monwanas with these subadults, only with few older females and further north..
I am not 100% sure. It is fully ussual for the Giraffe pride tho to move around Kambaku Lodge, at times showing themself at Shindzela and other surrounding arenas. Recently one of the Monwana males was seen beating up young Giraffe male further north in Klaserie.
(04-18-2021, 07:11 PM)Potato Wrote: I am not 100% sure. It is fully ussual for the Giraffe pride tho to move around Kambaku Lodge, at times showing themself at Shindzela and other surrounding arenas. Recently one of the Monwana males was seen beating up young Giraffe male further north in Klaserie
Dont know, but very strange that they would hang with Sumatra/Hercules while being under Monwanas..
(04-18-2021, 07:11 PM)Potato Wrote: I am not 100% sure. It is fully ussual for the Giraffe pride tho to move around Kambaku Lodge, at times showing themself at Shindzela and other surrounding arenas. Recently one of the Monwana males was seen beating up young Giraffe male further north in Klaserie
Dont know, but very strange that they would hang with Sumatra/Hercules while being under Monwanas..
The prides does not have any loyalty towards thei domiant males. Up untill cubs are not born, pride females are free to hang on and mate with any males around.
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After some speculation about the Hercules and Sumatra males, it looks like they are with some of the Giraffe pride lionesses. The Hercules male is definitely more dominant of the 2 as he kept the older male away from 1 lionesses. The Sumatra walked after the remaining 2 lionesses that was visible to me.
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After some speculation about the Hercules and Sumatra males, it looks like they are with some of the Giraffe pride lionesses. The Hercules male is definitely more dominant of the 2 as he kept the older male away from 1 lionesses. The Sumatra walked after the remaining 2 lionesses that was visible to me.
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It will be very intresting to see their competition with the two Monwana males. My bet would be on Monwanas despite one of them being injured. Monwanas so far were proving to be strong and bold duo. They stand up to fight Xikukutsus with Mapoza even through they were outnumbered and right away after starting their nomadic life challanged and ousted Black Dam male (compare it for example with how much time Tumbelas needed to oust very old HB). Chassing out Sumatra/Hercules duo will be of course much bigger challange than ousting lone Black Dam male, but still I bet Monwanas will handle this competition as well.
(04-22-2021, 06:35 PM)Potato Wrote: It will be very intresting to see their competition with the two Monwana males. My bet would be on Monwanas despite one of them being injured. Monwanas so far were proving to be strong and bold duo. They stand up to fight Xikukutsus with Mapoza even through they were outnumbered and right away after starting their nomadic life challanged and ousted Black Dam male (compare it for example with how much time Tumbelas needed to oust very old HB). Chassing out Sumatra/Hercules duo will be of course much bigger challange than ousting lone Black Dam male, but still I bet Monwanas will handle this competition as well.
Whole that situation is unclear with too little information to judge..
It looks like those lionesses who hang with Hercules/Sumatra are indeed some sort of breakaway (3/4 females and young male)..Giraffe pride are spliting a lot since BDM died and Monwanas tookover..
Rest of Giraffes are prob further north around Kambaku and near Monwanas so clash might not even happen between the 2 coalitions, as Hercules/Sumatra might settle there as Mapoza and Xikukutsus moved further south..
Did healthy Monwana was seen?
Also, does anybody know numbers of pride members of Giraffe, Avoca and Monwana prides??
Giraffe pride must have around 10 females, including younger females..
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(04-22-2021, 07:05 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Rest of Giraffes are prob further north around Kambaku and near Monwanas so clash might not even happen between the 2 coalitions, as Hercules/Sumatra might settle there as Mapoza and Xikukutsus moved further south..
If they are with Giraffe famales then they are probably at northern parts of Shindzela which is and always was part of the Giraffe pride territory. They are probably on Monwana males territory .
(04-22-2021, 07:05 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Also, does anybody know numbers of pride members of Giraffe, Avoca and Monwana prides??
As far as I remember Monwana is 5 adult females with 9 cubs and Avoca is 5 adult females, 5 sub adult females and 1 subadult male. Idk about numbers of the Giraffe pride.
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(04-22-2021, 07:35 PM)Potato Wrote: If they are with Giraffe famales then they are probably at northern parts of Shindzela which is and always was part of the Giraffe pride territory. They are probably on Monwana males territory .
Then idk how you favoring Monwanas, because Hercules/Sumatra are there for what, around 2 weeks without respond of Monwanas..
With injured leg of that Monwana they are much weaker now as injured male will prob avoid any clashes in that state (facing open chase back and forth with leg injury might be fatal for him, as he would be sitting duck for 2 males), only if they can intimidated Hercules/Sumatra with roars, but it doesnt look succesfull so far.
But as i said, theres no info if those 2 coalitions are even clashing so far.
And theres still no info about healthy Monwana male..
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