Lions of Timbavati

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(11-30-2020, 08:28 AM)Gijima Wrote: @BA0701 Sabi Sands (and all of Kruger) definitely has anti poaching units. The Timbavati used to allow trophy hunting so I’m wondering when they say “poached” do they mean hunted with full knowledge of the reserve? The Giraffe Male incident, like was mentioned here, is definitely more sketchy and I hope they are doing a better job fixing those fence so male lions don’t keep going “missing”. 

Here’s a good article I read from the Timbavati’s perspective ... it seems like they have stopped trophy hunting of lions, but I’m sure there are many bordering areas that still engage in illegal hunting and some of these anti poaching units can also be fairly corrupt.  :-/

https://www.conservationfrontlines.org/2020/04/staying-in-the-game-financing-the-timbavati-private-nature-reserve/

I think, the Northern area of the Timbavati Game Reserve once was very strange with the disappearing of the lions,I think it is due that in the Northern area of the reserves are upon to other reserves where the rules are completely differents ones. Example,Umbabat,Ntsiri.
Some other areas were anti-poaching. For Example,Tanda Tula. 
Tanda Tula always was been anti-poaching. Reply

[Potato]

Somewhere I read that all private reservs which joins into Greater Kruger Park has to follow Kruger's policy and so there is no legal trophy hunting or poaching nor in Timbavati nor in any other part of Greater Kruger. I do not know myself tho South Africa low. Reply

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(11-30-2020, 07:31 PM)Potato Wrote: Somewhere I read that all private reservs which joins into Greater Kruger Park has to follow Kruger's policy and so there is no legal trophy hunting or poaching nor in Timbavati nor in any other part of Greater Kruger. I do not know myself tho South Africa low.

Interesting,However,Around two years ago a lion was poached in Umbabat. He was the resident male of the Western pride,And since his fate the lion dynamics in the area has changed a lot. Reply

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(11-30-2020, 08:05 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(11-30-2020, 07:31 PM)Potato Wrote: Somewhere I read that all private reservs which joins into Greater Kruger Park has to follow Kruger's policy and so there is no legal trophy hunting or poaching nor in Timbavati nor in any other part of Greater Kruger. I do not know myself tho South Africa low.

Interesting,However,Around two years ago a lion was poached in Umbabat. He was the resident male of the Western pride,And since his fate the lion dynamics in the area has changed a lot.

That poaching is not supported by reserve or allowed by it doesn't mean it can not exist. There always will be some lawbreakers. Reply

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Yes, Of course,After all,For the money dance the monkey Reply

[Gijima]

(11-30-2020, 08:22 PM)Potato Wrote:

(11-30-2020, 08:05 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(11-30-2020, 07:31 PM)Potato Wrote: Somewhere I read that all private reservs which joins into Greater Kruger Park has to follow Kruger's policy and so there is no legal trophy hunting or poaching nor in Timbavati nor in any other part of Greater Kruger. I do not know myself tho South Africa low.

Interesting,However,Around two years ago a lion was poached in Umbabat. He was the resident male of the Western pride,And since his fate the lion dynamics in the area has changed a lot.

That poaching is not supported by reserve or allowed by it doesn't mean it can not exist. There always will be some lawbreakers.

There was definitely legal trophy hunting in that area until recently.. looks like it was Umbabat, but they killed the wrong lion and it caused a huge controversy: https://africageographic.com/stories/skye-lion-beginning-end-trophy-hunting-greater-kruger/

@Potato I think you’re right that they completely stopped this now but during the old Birmingham Male days it was still going on. I’m not sure the Timbavati was part of the Kruger at that point. They might have still been partially fenced in Reply

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(11-30-2020, 08:28 PM)Gijima Wrote:

(11-30-2020, 08:22 PM)Potato Wrote:

(11-30-2020, 08:05 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(11-30-2020, 07:31 PM)Potato Wrote: Somewhere I read that all private reservs which joins into Greater Kruger Park has to follow Kruger's policy and so there is no legal trophy hunting or poaching nor in Timbavati nor in any other part of Greater Kruger. I do not know myself tho South Africa low.

Interesting,However,Around two years ago a lion was poached in Umbabat. He was the resident male of the Western pride,And since his fate the lion dynamics in the area has changed a lot.

That poaching is not supported by reserve or allowed by it doesn't mean it can not exist. There always will be some lawbreakers.

There was definitely legal trophy hunting in that area until recently.. looks like it was Umbabat, but they killed the wrong lion and it caused a huge controversy: https://africageographic.com/stories/skye-lion-beginning-end-trophy-hunting-greater-kruger/

@Potato I think you’re right that they completely stopped this now but during the old Birmingham Male days it was still going on. I’m not sure the Timbavati was part of the Kruger at that point. They might have still been partially fenced in

The Timbavati Private Game Reserve forms part of a group of nature reserves on the western boundary of the Kruger National Park. These wildlife-rich lands are now an integral part of the Kruger Park system, managed in cooperation with the Kruger National Park itself.Since its formation in the 1950's, the Timbavati Association has increased its conservation minded landowners to 50 members. Over the years, this group has worked toward a common goal, to overcome degradation within this previously pristine area, redirect insensitive land use and reclaim it for the benefit of all.In the 1990's, in recognition of the importance of the area, the fences between Timbavati Reserve and the Kruger National Park were removed to encourage natural species migration. A vast stretch of wild land was opened up for the free movement of wildlife through what is now effectively, a single conservation area also known as the Greater Kruger Park.This arrangement is beneficial for both wildlife and tourists. Wildlife have access to more resources in order to meet their permanent, seasonal, and episodic needs, and tourists are offered a wider range of eco-tourism facilities. Plans are in place to have the Timbavati Reserve declared as part of the Kruger National Park, which will secure its future as a valuable piece of South African heritage. Reply

[BA0701]

@"TinoArmando" my friend, I know you have a lot of knowledge about Timbavati and the surrounding areas. Do you know what lion named "Big Boy" would have been in Thornybush around 2018, would that be Charleston? Reply

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(12-01-2020, 02:26 AM)BA0701 Wrote: @TinoArmando my friend, I know you have a lot of knowledge about Timbavati and the surrounding areas. Do you know what lion named "Big Boy" would have been in Thornybush around 2018, would that be Charleston?

Definitely not Charleston, idk which male was called there like that. Reply

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(12-01-2020, 02:51 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-01-2020, 02:26 AM)BA0701 Wrote: @TinoArmando my friend, I know you have a lot of knowledge about Timbavati and the surrounding areas. Do you know what lion named "Big Boy" would have been in Thornybush around 2018, would that be Charleston?

Definitely not Charleston, idk which male was called there like that.

This is why I ask, @Tr1x24 . This is one of the dumbest things I have seen, not to mention the harm that would be done to those lions, if things went wrong. Apparently it was all done to prove something that guy wrote in a book. I do not recognize "Big Boy" in this video. 

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(12-01-2020, 03:06 AM)BA0701 Wrote: This is why I ask, @Tr1x24 . This is one of the dumbest things I have seen, not to mention the harm that would be done to those lions, if things went wrong. Apparently it was all done to prove something that guy wrote in a book. I do not recognize "Big Boy" in this video

Thats from 2009, male in the video is father of Black Dam Male. 

We where discussing this "event" here already.. Reply

[BA0701]

(12-01-2020, 03:17 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-01-2020, 03:06 AM)BA0701 Wrote: This is why I ask, @Tr1x24 . This is one of the dumbest things I have seen, not to mention the harm that would be done to those lions, if things went wrong. Apparently it was all done to prove something that guy wrote in a book. I do not recognize "Big Boy" in this video

Thats from 2009, male in the video is father of Black Dam Male. 

We where discussing this "event" here already..

Yeah, I wasn't trying to resurrect an old topic, merely trying to identify the lion involved. Thank you my friend! Reply

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(12-01-2020, 03:17 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-01-2020, 03:06 AM)BA0701 Wrote: This is why I ask, @Tr1x24 . This is one of the dumbest things I have seen, not to mention the harm that would be done to those lions, if things went wrong. Apparently it was all done to prove something that guy wrote in a book. I do not recognize "Big Boy" in this video

Thats from 2009, male in the video is father of Black Dam Male. 

We where discussing this "event" here already..

You are right,This is an old video from 2009 or so, But he isn't Blackdam male father. Reply

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(12-01-2020, 04:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(12-01-2020, 03:17 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-01-2020, 03:06 AM)BA0701 Wrote: This is why I ask, @Tr1x24 . This is one of the dumbest things I have seen, not to mention the harm that would be done to those lions, if things went wrong. Apparently it was all done to prove something that guy wrote in a book. I do not recognize "Big Boy" in this video

Thats from 2009, male in the video is father of Black Dam Male. 

We where discussing this "event" here already..

Yeah, I wasn't trying to resurrect an old topic, merely trying to identify the lion involved. Thank you my friend!

He was been known as Bubezi,A very tall,bulky, and massive lion,Even very well-known in the Thornybush area. Reply

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Lazy morning stroll with Socha! One of the two River pride males in the Klaserie area! What a beast...
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