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Sadly I think you were right, it doesn't look like she is pregnant or has had cubs recently. Come on PC boys, get on with it and give her some (more) cubs.
Wasn't sure where to post this, hope it's OK here, as these males and Imbali lioness are usually discussed as part of ongoing coalition dynamics in Sabi Sands.
Mantimahle males were sighted with Imbali lionesses (and cubs) border Sabi Sands / Manyeleti. So yeah, it seems they focus on Imbali and perhaps still Torchwood; that's why no focus on more deeper into Sabi Sands / Nkuhumas?
Best example I can think of in regard to males showing prolonged interest and protection of a solitary lioness would be Nhenha with the also lone Tsalala lioness and the mother of the current lioness. He used to visit her quite regularly back in the day despite them still being firmly in control of Kambula Pride at the time. I think there was even an encounter between alone Tsalala lioness and Kambulas where Nhenha actively stepped in to protect her and diffuse the situation.
(03-22-2025, 07:14 PM)adamstocks16 Wrote: Best example I can think of in regard to males showing prolonged interest and protection of a solitary lioness would be Nhenha with the also lone Tsalala lioness and the mother of the current lioness. He used to visit her quite regularly back in the day despite them still being firmly in control of Kambula Pride at the time. I think there was even an encounter between alone Tsalala lioness and Kambulas where Nhenha actively stepped in to protect her and diffuse the situation.
Ximungwe lioness, before Gingerella joined her, used to have all sorts of suitors visiting, on a regular basis. Including Nhenha and Skorro Jr. Sadly, we have not heard much on Skorro Jr, of late.
Do u see one of them taking over or someone different?
My personal pick is are the Monwana males, as i c them surviving the next year to 5,5y. And if they have average confidence for lions in their age being 4 in a squad, I think they will attempt their take over around that time. As it seems to be unusual that a coalition of 4 that outnumbers their neighbors hesitates as much as kambulas. I think the probability of them being as passive and lacking drive like Kambulas seems low. The Kambulas i think have shown their temperamant and I dont see them changing their approach any time soon. The same goes for nkuhuma in my opinion. khanya cant count on nkuhumas full support in a takeover i think. Manthimales have their hands full with their territory i think and wont take on more responsibility. The same goes for the other duos of sabi sands in my opinion. Styx male is alone and i dont see him being a 1of1 lion like red road male, as the probability of a single lion reaching that level seems fairely low. So i c his best chances in teaming up with different nomads. If he manages to get a competent coalition partner though, I give him chances of taking over aswell.
1 monwana
2 styx and coalition partner
3 kambulas
4 manthimales
5 nkuhuma and khanya
thats how i would rank the likelihood of them taking over the nkuhuma pride.
Ages may be wrong. Please correct any mistakes u see.
Also add other potential lions or coalitions i may have missed.
Im lookig forward to hearing yall opinions
Bonus question.
Whos reign out of ndhzengas, PCMs and Gijimas do u c end first? Which coalition will have reigned the longest in the end?
Do u see one of them taking over or someone different?
My personal pick is are the Monwana males, as i c them surviving the next year to 5,5y. And if they have average confidence for lions in their age being 4 in a squad, I think they will attempt their take over around that time. As it seems to be unusual that a coalition of 4 that outnumbers their neighbors hesitates as much as kambulas. I think the probability of them being as passive and lacking drive like Kambulas seems low. The Kambulas i think have shown their temperamant and I dont see them changing their approach any time soon. The same goes for nkuhuma in my opinion. khanya cant count on nkuhumas full support in a takeover i think. Manthimales have their hands full with their territory i think and wont take on more responsibility. The same goes for the other duos of sabi sands in my opinion. Styx male is alone and i dont see him being a 1of1 lion like red road male, as the probability of a single lion reaching that level seems fairely low. So i c his best chances in teaming up with different nomads. If he manages to get a competent coalition partner though, I give him chances of taking over aswell.
1 monwana
2 styx and coalition partner
3 kambulas
4 manthimales
5 nkuhuma and khanya
thats how i would rank the likelihood of them taking over the nkuhuma pride.
Ages may be wrong. Please correct any mistakes u see.
Also add other potential lions or coalitions i may have missed.
Im lookig forward to hearing yall opinions
Bonus question.
Whos reign out of ndhzengas, PCMs and Gijimas do u c end first? Which coalition will have reigned the longest in the end?
Thanks in advance for reply:)
Monwanas would be the perfect match honestly.
If the other 3 brothers come back to Sabi Sands and somehow join their younger brother with Nkuhumas, they could very likely make a name for themselves at the area. 4 young males have alot of potential to bring back stability in the north, even thought we sometimes forget it thanks to all instability and havoc 4 Kambulas managed to cause and prove that numbers dont matter if ur not strong or confident enough to stand your ground.
I would like alot if all 6 Monwanas managed to rejoin and take Nks, but thats highly unlikely. Regardless of that 4 could be a really good number to protect the area from all those confident duos around.
(03-22-2025, 07:14 PM)adamstocks16 Wrote: Best example I can think of in regard to males showing prolonged interest and protection of a solitary lioness would be Nhenha with the also lone Tsalala lioness and the mother of the current lioness. He used to visit her quite regularly back in the day despite them still being firmly in control of Kambula Pride at the time. I think there was even an encounter between alone Tsalala lioness and Kambulas where Nhenha actively stepped in to protect her and diffuse the situation.
Yes there was that infamous altercation where some Kambula lionesses had the Tsalala lioness (the current one's mother) corned against the high bank of the Sand River. Both males were there and it was actually Tinyo who was most actively getting in the middle and trying to stop the Kambulas from killing her, despite the fact it was Nhena who would visit her and most likely sired her cub(s).
03-22-2025, 10:40 PM( This post was last modified: 03-22-2025, 10:42 PM by MrLoesoe )
Kruger male is missing from your list. For what we know he is trying very hard to become territorial again and is currently mating with the females. Yeah he doesn't have the lifespan anymore of the other younger males but I can't rule out him succeeding in at least partly controlling the pride for some time. I think we tend to underestimate old but fit and experienced males like him.
Monwanas have a good chance, I agree. But they may need some more time before realizing what 'territorial' is vs nomad life
Styx male doesn't hang out in the north and first needs to find a partner. Don't see it happening
Khanya and Nkuhuma don't hang out in the north / Nkhuma territory either (I could be wrong though, happy to be corrected). So low probability, although I like this duo as a potential territorial coalition
Mantimahles seem to focus on other prides for now
Kambulas I don't really dare to say anything about lol, the potential is still there since they are with 4, but for now, K4 with injuries etc, no
(03-22-2025, 10:11 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: Tinyo who was most actively getting in the middle and trying to stop the Kambulas from killing her, despite the fact it was Nhena who would visit her and most likely sired her cub(s).
The one most puzzling part of that entire situation, in my mind. Nhenha seemed to be more interested in flirting with some of the other lionesses, barely paying any mind to the chaos unfolding in front of him.
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