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(03-31-2024, 12:16 PM)sanjay Wrote: @KM600 I have fixed the issue. Thanks for reporting.

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(03-31-2024, 06:17 PM)Cath2020 Wrote: Where in the WORLD are the S. BDMs?!  They haven't been sighted in well over 2 weeks!  There must be something going on to leave the Nk Pride so vulnerable.  I don't like this.  

Hope nothing ominous happened to the young duo.  Lots of tension and responsibilities they have on their shoulders, too much, too soon, maybe.  Keeping my fingers crossed for their well-being.

Hopefully they show up again soon. Rooting for these males, they've had a pretty rough start since stepping foot in SS. It would be awesome to see them pull through and finally stamp their authority.
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Even if they return, they lack the strength to afford protection and stability.
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(03-31-2024, 11:44 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Even if they return, they lack the strength to afford protection and stability.

Yet, their brother seems to be doing well with his coalition partner, and their father, along with the original famous BDM, both did it while solo males. It is mind boggling.
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Werent BDMs last seen in Londolozi sharing kill wth Kambulas?

I dont think BDMs are territorial in the north since those Kambulas encounters late last year.

Yes, BDMs where seen with NKs after that, but i dont think that was in territorial fashion, yet more like what Talamati is doing now, for company and food, especially as they where injured/limping.

As @Mapokser said, they are semi-nomads (until they prove otherwise) and will prob not protect NKs at this point.

I think they got spooked by 4 males, and now they are not sure what to do here anymore so they automatically return to their nomadic state of thinking, which is keeping lower profile (injuries doesnt help aswell).

Its yet to be see what they will do, i wouldnt be suprised if they just leave the area, as Skorro Breakaway did when he realised he cant protect his territorial status here.

Btw any news on him?
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(04-01-2024, 01:45 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Werent BDMs last seen in Londolozi sharing kill wth Kambulas?

I dont think BDMs are territorial in the north since those Kambulas encounters late last year.

Yes, BDMs where seen with NKs after that, but i dont think that was in territorial fashion, yet more like what Talamati is doing now, for company and food, especially as they where injured/limping.

As @Mapokser said, they are semi-nomads (until they prove otherwise) and will prob not protect NKs at this point.

I think they got spooked by 4 males, and now they are not sure what to do here anymore so they automatically return to their nomadic state of thinking, which is keeping lower profile (injuries doesnt help aswell).

Well, I hope Chela and the gang can grow this current generation successfully, will be really good to get some new blood in the mix. Going to be really tough with all the males roaming near, and two fathers who aren't.
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( This post was last modified: 04-01-2024, 05:47 AM by Mapokser )

Their opposition was lone Mohawk and lone S8 and they still struggled with them at the beginning, especially with S8 who managed to chase them off even after they had already "ousted" Mohawk and taken over the north. Months later they did chase S8 tho so there's at least that.

The Ndhzengas never properly pressured them, but rather would only defend their northern border and still the BDM never stood any chance against them. Mala Mala says they always retreat when hearing the 2 Ndhzenga.

PCM sent them packing with ease as well, but never pressured them.

They got a great hand but never put the work to properly oust Mohawk and his sons.

The only pressure they got was from the Kambulas and fair enough, 4 males, but still the Kambulas are so weird that they stopped pressuring them and went back to full nomadic life lifestyle, exploring the south again and sharing kills with anyone willing to, even the BDM, Kambulas left despite the BDM not doing anything and losing/being submissive to the Kambulas in all their encounters after the first one.

Kambulas as full nomads now for a long time and the BDM are nowhere to be seen, probably in Singita enjoying buffalo until the PCM realize they are there to chase them again.

I don't think the Southern BDM have any potential to be successful as long as they have any meaningful competition. Unless they find an even easier area, they'll not raise any offspring which may happen if they go to Manyeleti.
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(04-01-2024, 01:52 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Well, I hope Chela and the gang can grow this current generation successfully, will be really good to get some new blood in the mix. Going to be really tough with all the males roaming near, and two fathers who aren't.

I wouldnt bet many on these new cubs's survival tho, unstable area is not good for rising cubs.
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(04-01-2024, 02:01 AM)Mapokser Wrote: The only pressure they got was from the Kambulas and fair enough, 4 males, but still the Kambulas are so weird that they stopped pressuring them and went back to full nomadic life lifestyle, exploring the south again and sharing kills with anyone willing to, even the BDM, Kambulas left despite the BDM not doing anything and losing/being submissive to the Kambulas in all their encounters after the first one.

It doesnt matter if Kambulas left, BDMs lost to Kambulas then.

Its not as easy to become territorial again in the area where you lost, when you know that those males can return any time, and they know they are near by.

Stress hits, confidence falls apart, and they where injured/limping aswell.

Their past encounters with their neighbours dont matter that much, in fact, at arrival, BDMs where the ones invading Ndhzengas and Kambulas, but didnt succeed.
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Win lose. I dont think there was a winner in the conflict. Both groups wound up displacing each other.
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(04-01-2024, 02:16 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Win lose. I dont think there was a winner in the conflict. Both groups wound up displacing each other.

Kambulas definetly won, but except K4 male, by the looks of it, his brothers where not yet ready to become territorial males in their minds, they where and are still in nomadic mindset.

They moved away, K4 after finishing mating sessions, followed them.
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(04-01-2024, 02:16 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Win lose. I dont think there was a winner in the conflict. Both groups wound up displacing each other.

My exact thought.
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Even if they werent ready to become territorial, if they were aware of the BDMs arent going to fight back, they would atleast stay in the area.
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Yeah how do you beat a coalition and they stay and you leave but we beat them I don’t understand even after this “fight” the black dams stayed did anyone see this fight?
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Its more that both groups believe the other is about to beat them up if they assert themselves.
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