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Lions of Sabi Sands

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@Tr1x24 You mention Mohawk and the PCM as an example of a massive difference, but I remember that a little before the PCM put their entire focus on ousting the Bboys and taking over the Western Sector, they were exploring Londolozi and the north, and it was shared here a photographer saying that Mohawk and Blondie were bigger than the PCM after the PCM visited the north roaring. It was also posted here a guide saying Mohawk and S8 were the same size... Now imagine comparing 2 lions that are closer in size, instead of Mohawk and PCM.

The distance of the sightings, angles, stomach content and overall shape the lion has at any given opportunity + the size of the mane all makes it harder to judge them if they are not together, and even without these factors, it's already very hard to judge sizes correctly.

It's the reason why sometimes we get suprised when some lions meet and their sizes in comparison to each other don't match the expectations... As that one Londolozi ranger said, he could only tell the smaller Ndhzenga was small when he was with his brother or the females, when alone he thought the smaller Ndhzenga was impressive.

I think if many guides/photographers claim a lion is big, and none say otherwise, we can safely say the lion is probably big, but unless we have them seeing the lions interacting in some capacity, their guesses may either be reliable or completely incorrect regarding who is bigger between 2 lions.
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Guides are trying to sell the safari to its guests. Not doing scientific observations. 
Every lion they see is big imposing or whatever it is the guests like to hear. Unlike those lions at the neighbours.

Honestly, we have no way to measure the lions. No reliable references or observations or even guesses.
We know size is not a decisive factor in fights. So why are we constantly repeating this discussion?
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NK Breakaways in the West. If truly in Inyati they're in the core territory of the Ximhungwe.

Now with the subs reaching 2yo it's not impossible that they'll become a threat to Ximhungwe and Othawa, becoming the dominant pride in the Western Sector:




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(12-28-2023, 05:57 AM)Mapokser Wrote: impossible that they'll become a threat to Ximhungwe and Othawa, becoming the dominant pride in the Western Sector:

Still too early for that.

Even when they grow up, its questionable if male will "help" 2 females to outmuscle Ximhugwes.
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(12-27-2023, 10:21 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Kruger Male on Djuma dam cam 30 mins ago


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Back to the Manyeleti this morning

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( This post was last modified: 12-28-2023, 11:32 PM by NLAL11 )

Two Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka males, five Kambula lionesses and 13 cubs (3 small and 10 bigger) in the Sand River. Credits to Mala Mala.




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(12-28-2023, 11:28 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: Two Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka males, five Kambula lionesses and 13 cubs (3 small and 10 bigger) in the Sand River. Credits to Mala Mala.





So if 13 cubs are with this group how many are with the other? 5 girls here should be 3 other females
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(12-29-2023, 12:43 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote:
(12-28-2023, 11:28 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: Two Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka males, five Kambula lionesses and 13 cubs (3 small and 10 bigger) in the Sand River. Credits to Mala Mala.





So if 13 cubs are with this group how many are with the other? 5 girls here should be 3 other females

Hard to say, I know @criollo2mil was keeping track, or doing their best to. Last Mala Mala report said two of the 'estranged' lionesses were denning at Campbell Koppies. At this point those 2 or 3 seem to be a breakaway pride. Not sure what K6 is doing. There doesn't seem to be any report on those breakaway cubs yet but hopefully we'll get something soon.
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K6 was sighted alone, with the core pride, and with her sisters, according to MalaMala's last report.
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Summary 12.28.23 including PC boys with Mangheni, Ndhzenga, Styx pride, Gijimas with Talamati pride and S. Avoca




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Tumbela with his daughters, he was still limping but in decent condition:


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Credits to Kaelin Cohen & Taylor Manning.
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Gijima's chased away by Nkhulu's. Footage starts at 3:53.
Two of the Nkhulu's appeared to have issues with their rear legs and looked very uncomfortable trying to run.




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(12-29-2023, 06:10 PM)1999gc8 Wrote: Gijima's chased away by Nkhulu's. Footage starts at 3:53.
Two of the Nkhulu's appeared to have issues with their rear legs and looked very uncomfortable trying to run.





Very unnecessary risk by Gijimas unless they picked upon the Nkhulu males close to their territory boundary and decided to go after them to avoid a possible invasion. I don’t think they can afford to try and extend their territory anymore.
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(12-29-2023, 06:52 PM)KM600 Wrote:
(12-29-2023, 06:10 PM)1999gc8 Wrote: Gijima's chased away by Nkhulu's. Footage starts at 3:53.
Two of the Nkhulu's appeared to have issues with their rear legs and looked very uncomfortable trying to run.





Very unnecessary risk by Gijimas unless they picked upon the Nkhulu males close to their territory boundary and decided to go after them to avoid a possible invasion. I don’t think they can afford to try and extend their territory anymore.

I mean.. it worked for them before.   Correct me if I'm wrong as it happened just before I started really paying attention to Sabi, but they cut the N'Was down to 3 at one point with these types of tactics.  Just not sure how it's going to play out for them this time.
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(12-29-2023, 06:52 PM)KM600 Wrote: Very unnecessary risk by Gijimas unless they picked upon the Nkhulu males close to their territory boundary and decided to go after them to avoid a possible invasion. I don’t think they can afford to try and extend their territory anymore.

Gijimas are seen occassionaly pushing quite far east into Kirkmans Kamp, aswell as north into Londolozi.

Duo is very confident, as we can see how LM Gijima immidiately tried to engage blindly, but realized it was a mistake when he saw 5 males lying there.

Its stated that it was in Nkhulus territory.

Does someone have original video/source?
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