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Lions of Sabi Sands
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 (12-20-2022, 12:28 AM)Mapokser Wrote: But in terms of having a successful bloodline, the lion's chances you'll be greater if they have daughters, just look at how successful the 6 Majingilane daughters of the Kambula pride are and compare them to their brothers who despite reaching independence and some even become dominant, still failed tragically.It is bad example. In general daughters are more guarantee bloodline succes as if they reach adulthood they will most likely rise at least one or two litters to adulthood. They however can raise only one litter at a time. On the other hand males have more difficult time to reproduce, however if they manage to do so they can sire and rise multiple litters at once and because of that provide greater reproduce success than females. 
True, but one daughter will sire multiple males or even coalitions that can spread that bloodline.
 (12-18-2022, 12:28 PM)BigLion39 Wrote:(12-17-2022, 08:40 PM)SMK350 Wrote: Has anyone heard an update on the Ndzenga male’s sister or cubs since she broke her leg? Maybe just a sprain. This is from the photographer, Kathy Wrobel: "On to our final camp for the trip … Lion Sands - Narina located in Kruger National Park. The first 4 pictures are of a lioness and her now 2 cubs. About 3 months before this picture, she fought off a male lion who was trying to kill her 3 cubs. Unfortunately he was able to get one, but she kept fighting him and was able to save the other 2. During the fight, she broke her leg (pic 4 - the bend in the right leg) and walks with a very noticeable limp. The good news is that they have survived through the worst of her recovery and the two cubs (a year old) are doing well and are starting to hunt small animals to help out."  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author I think this was due to one of the Gijima Males. 
Friends humbly I wanted to ask a question. Do you believe that the bigger PC male is bigger than the Bboys in the past?
Even the smaller PCM at the age of 5 is already easily bigger than them IMO. Not only they look more impressive but Londolozi has made some comments about the PCM being big males and impressive, while I've seen rangers saying the Birminghams weren't particularly big.
There's also that video of the PCM chasing the NK male away, the difference between them was huge. But when we look at the NK side by side with Nhenha, he doesn't look smaller, in fact I think he's taller. Now, is Nhenha the biggest Bboy? I don't know, I've heard he is, but not by any reliable source.  (12-20-2022, 12:28 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Xiku_kutsu genetically there's no difference between a daughter and son, both have 50% of the father's genes, the other 50% comes from the mother. Yes, about comparable in inheritance, BUT... Paternal genes, in general, are more aggressive, stronger, and more expressed than maternal genes. The father's genes are more active in nearly 60% of its offspring's genes. https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/20...nate-42535 I recall reading about a hybrid whale before.... It was an unusual whale, never before seen alive of its kind, a hybrid of a beluga and narwhal whale. It absolutely shocked scientists. It's makeup was quite stunning in appearance, and in the way it would have eaten was also not like it's parents. Even its DNA, a complete hybrid, showed the paternal gene as dominant. (54 vs 46%) They were able to determine that the father was a beluga whale and its mother a narwhal. So, a 'narluga'???. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new...180972462/ Actually, a son would be more apt to spread his mother's genes more effectively than a daughter would....IF he's a successful male. A lion can have many more offspring than a lioness in his lifetime. Of course, a daughter would provide future security and companionship for pride females, helping keep stability, but sons can spread their genes far and wide. Look at the WIDELY successful males of the Avocas, Birminghams....etc. All those older lionesses from these prides got their genes spread to so many other prides by their strong sons. In terms of gene spreading, a lioness would ideally want to have a litter of 4 or 5 strong sons. Take the Southern Avocas (only 2 males) who are most likely littermates, but judging by their appearance, sired by different Avoca lions. Just these 2 males spread this one lionesses genes many times already, in comparison to each of their Avoca fathers, because she's the mother of BOTH, so her genes would have better chances of spreading out than each individual Avoca father of the S. Avocas specifically.  (12-20-2022, 06:10 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Even the smaller PCM at the age of 5 is already easily bigger than them IMO. Not only they look more impressive but Londolozi has made some comments about the PCM being big males and impressive, while I've seen rangers saying the Birminghams weren't particularly big. I've always thought of Nhena as being on the larger sized male lion. In this Londolozi update the guide makes a comment about how big Nhena was. It starts at 8:47.
I asked this question because I don't think the B Boys at their peak were less than either of the two male PCs, but I need more opinions
Its a very big if. For every Birmingham or Avoca, there are countless of Nguvus, Othawa subs, Tumbellas, Syms or Big Boy Mhangenis.
(12-20-2022, 12:56 AM)Potato Wrote:(12-20-2022, 12:28 AM)Mapokser Wrote: But in terms of having a successful bloodline, the lion's chances you'll be greater if they have daughters, just look at how successful the 6 Majingilane daughters of the Kambula pride are and compare them to their brothers who despite reaching independence and some even become dominant, still failed tragically.It is bad example. In general daughters are more guarantee bloodline succes as if they reach adulthood they will most likely rise at least one or two litters to adulthood. They however can raise only one litter at a time. On the other hand males have more difficult time to reproduce, however if they manage to do so they can sire and rise multiple litters at once and because of that provide greater reproduce success than females. Exactly, it is not a coincidence good times of plenty lead to more males being born in many species (to spread the genes, from species viewpoint to have the most viable genes to prevail improving and reshuffling the genetic infomation of the population with possibly new combination that might turn out beneficial, more adapted to current surroundings), while in les favourable times more females are born (sort of to keep the species going, survive and betting on the sure thing). Obviously not going from 100% to 0% to vice versa, but the ratio changes a bit. Often in zoos in different species there is a problem of surplus male (for once because the extra ones are not needed in many species and the natural selection through competition doesn't happen, the breeding programs try the opposite to keep the gen pool as it was, diverse with no bloodlines gettign overrepresented and animals not changing over time from the type; like melanistic individuals in amur leopards being removed from further breeding), but also due do diet - overfeeding is one thing, but nutrition rich carbohydrates (afaik) likely triggers some skewed ration of sexes among the offspring - Emmen zoo elephants having like 3 female calves from 20 (or something like that) born over span of decades and different animals bred (dames and sires) comes to mind. Even in humans females tend to have different level of hormones causing enviroment favoring either quicker or slower sperms - based on their partners status and what not, ie. the same principal for a social species like we are, obviously with negligible difference and familie still being able to have a child of different sex after like 3 of the other one in a row, not a deterministic feature. Sorry for a tangent :) (12-20-2022, 08:40 AM)Cath2020 Wrote:(12-20-2022, 12:28 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Xiku_kutsu genetically there's no difference between a daughter and son, both have 50% of the father's genes, the other 50% comes from the mother. Belwhal, I guess:) Going by the liger vs tigon method, male's species being represented in the first part of the word.  (12-20-2022, 06:10 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Even the smaller PCM at the age of 5 is already easily bigger than them IMO. Not only they look more impressive but Londolozi has made some comments about the PCM being big males and impressive, while I've seen rangers saying the Birminghams weren't particularly big. This discussion has been had before. There are different ways lions can be 'big' - a rather vague word. In that clip, you could see that the Nkuhuma Male was taller (and he's about the same height as Nhena), but the PC Males were bulkier/stockier. So it's difficult to determine which are 'bigger'. In the recent video of Nhena walking past the jeep, you can see how fricking big he is, so let's stop this 'Nhena isn't that big of a lion' nonsense. And again, as has already been said, all of the Bboys were not the same size. Tinyo was noticeably smaller than Nhena, for example.  *This image is copyright of its original author one of the five old leeupan/Mantimahle Dam coalition back to 2005 feeding on Buffalo with his brothers .The one who have snip tail photos by Gert De Koker . He is Father of the twins Majingilane the Golde Mane and Scar nose .  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
@1999gc8 I always thought Bboys were big, and still think that, IMO they're heavier than the Mapogos and Majingilane due to being bulkier ( not sure if they were taller and longer tho ) who were already above average males so I was surprised to find rangers saying they weren't big.
As for the Londolozi video, good finding, he compares Nhenha to the Ndhzengas and he is indeed bigger than them, though it's worth mentioning the talks about the Ndhzengas being small lions, at least for me they seem to be some of the or even the smallest lions in the SS and not only currently, they don't look that much taller than the Kambulas for instance. |
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