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Lions of Sabi Sands

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(11-22-2020, 09:36 PM)Gijima Wrote: @Cath2020 but people did provide multiple dated images (real dates by the photographers) and matched the whisker spot patterns to HB. We have pictures of him from 2007-2011 and videos too after that clearly seeing his development. 

This forum constantly gets overtaken by people who want to say that “[their favorite lion] is the biggest, tallest, oldest, etc” and can’t accept that other can respectfully disagree with them. The fact that @Nathan Aiden you accuse certain people of bias is ridiculous... they are the ones who are doing all the research to keep many of our forums active. Tino has probably  posted the most info in the Matimba thread this year... how is that bias?

Why not just appreciate HB and continue to provide good information on him? You used to give updates from the western sector all the time... Just share good info like we’re all trying to do here.

Thanks for clarify all this my friend.
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The Othawa male on the move.
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One of the Talamati sub-adults males,These Talamati young males are starting to developing a pretty nice Dark maned. Also are becoming more bigger and stronger every day.
Note: One of the Talamati females was been injured on his back leg
Looks like a buffalo or antelope did that(I'll post a image soon as i can)
Djuma-Sabi Sands-Posted on November 22/2020.
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The injured Talamati lioness seen recently (today) in the morning (08:30 am) at Djuma in Sabi Sands. Her and the rest of the pride incluiding the Darkmaned Avoca male were feeding of a Giraffe kill,Nonetheless most likely or at least apparently this injury was did by a buffalo or antelope... Basing me on his facial featured, look like one of the Talamati females who were sired by the Selati males
Djuma-Sabi Sands-Posted on November 22/2020.
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(11-19-2020, 03:17 AM)Slayerd In my opinion Osindile has had a much more difficult life than Nkuhuma male.It was not always great for The Nkuhuma male but he has had other coalition males to bond with and his sister and other lions from Nkuhuma pride .Osindile/Birmingham Ngala male only has the Birmingham pride when the one Ross is not with the pride some people are starting to call that Ross male Tyson. Wrote: I've got a question for everybody. Recently the Birmingham Young Male lion was names Osindile which means 'survivor' in Zulu. A worthy name for the young male who had to survive the Ross Males and his leg injury that nearly killed him. Down south, in Sabi Sands, the Nkuhuma Young Male also had to face his own hardships and had to survive. He was also forced to face dominant male lions and on occasion, had to fight them to survive. He lost his mother and partner and had to look after himself for almost a year. The stress led to him losing condition and his mane until he found the Styx Pride. He is also a true Survivor of the bush. Both Males have similar stories and are similar in age but in your opinion, who had a much harsher life they had to survive through?
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(11-22-2020, 10:18 PM)TinoArmando Do you know if Hairy Belly is a Southern Cape Lion.They were very big lions and their is not many on record anymore. Wrote:
(11-22-2020, 09:36 PM)Gijima Wrote: @Cath2020 but people did provide multiple dated images (real dates by the photographers) and matched the whisker spot patterns to HB. We have pictures of him from 2007-2011 and videos too after that clearly seeing his development. 

This forum constantly gets overtaken by people who want to say that “[their favorite lion] is the biggest, tallest, oldest, etc” and can’t accept that other can respectfully disagree with them. The fact that @Nathan Aiden you accuse certain people of bias is ridiculous... they are the ones who are doing all the research to keep many of our forums active. Tino has probably  posted the most info in the Matimba thread this year... how is that bias?

Why not just appreciate HB and continue to provide good information on him? You used to give updates from the western sector all the time... Just share good info like we’re all trying to do here.

Thanks for clarify all this my friend.
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(11-22-2020, 03:08 PM)Nathan AidenHairy Belly is a true Icon and warrior.I am not taking anything away from him but just because the lions in the Mara receive treatment does not mean they don’t have it bad they still have to fight and hunt.If it were a part of the rules in South Africa to treat the lions medically they would be doing so.It is not the lions in the Mara fault that they care for them better can’t take anything away from in both countries lions have it tough in both countries. Wrote: As i mentioned lions in Mara and other areas receive treatments from vets and are saved in near conditions. The lions you mentioned above were seen by vets numerous times and monitored till they recovered.
Lions in Mara can live long due to this and there would be individuals who be as old as Hb no doubt.

I think we should give this title to HB as the oldest living Male Lion right now. As he received no help or treatment and survived the hard way. How he came back from a dead situation was unbelievable. Not once many times. Deserves to be recognised. Lived the hard way and surviving the harsh nature.
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(11-23-2020, 05:48 AM)Maximus Wrote:
(11-22-2020, 03:08 PM)Nathan AidenHairy Belly is a true Icon and warrior.I am not taking anything away from him but just because the lions in the Mara receive treatment does not mean they don’t have it bad they still have to fight and hunt.If it were a part of the rules in South Africa to treat the lions medically they would be doing so.It is not the lions in the Mara fault that they care for them better can’t take anything away from in both countries lions have it tough in both countries. Wrote: As i mentioned lions in Mara and other areas receive treatments from vets and are saved in near conditions. The lions you mentioned above were seen by vets numerous times and monitored till they recovered.
Lions in Mara can live long due to this and there would be individuals who be as old as Hb no doubt.

I think we should give this title to HB as the oldest living Male Lion right now. As he received no help or treatment and survived the hard way. How he came back from a dead situation was unbelievable. Not once many times. Deserves to be recognised. Lived the hard way and surviving the harsh nature.

Good and propers words Maximus. However,I believe that Nathan cannot seen your answer as he was been banned from WildFact today after of some behavior that isn't tolerated in this site
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"Do you know if Hairy Belly is a Southern Cape Lion.They were very big lions and their is not many on record anymore. "

Hairy Belly oryginates from Birmingham pride in Timbavati Game Reserve. He is lion from Greater Kruger Park.

"I am not taking anything away from him but just because the lions in the Mara receive treatment does not mean they don’t have it bad they still have to fight and hunt."

SStill they have huge advantage over Kruger lions.

"However,I believe that Nathan cannot seen your answer as he was been banned from WildFact today after of some behavior that isn't tolerated in this site"


What did he acctually did? Were some of his comments deleted and I can not see his insaults or somethink. Wasn't he just banned for thinking that HB is 15 years old was he?
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(11-22-2020, 09:36 PM)Gijima Wrote: @Cath2020 but people did provide multiple dated images (real dates by the photographers) and matched the whisker spot patterns to HB. We have pictures of him from 2007-2011 and videos too after that clearly seeing his development. 

This forum constantly gets overtaken by people who want to say that “[their favorite lion] is the biggest, tallest, oldest, etc” and can’t accept that other can respectfully disagree with them. The fact that @Nathan Aiden you accuse certain people of bias is ridiculous... they are the ones who are doing all the research to keep many of our forums active. Tino has probably  posted the most info in the Matimba thread this year... how is that bias?

Why not just appreciate HB and continue to provide good information on him? You used to give updates from the western sector all the time... Just share good info like we’re all trying to do here.



Okay, I never contested his claim on HB's birth outright.  Until I personally see evidence and/or speak to rangers who worked the year of his supposed birth, I cannot vouch for any date.  I'm just going by the general consensus, video clips of him, and what I think his age ought to be based a bit on his appearance.  Having stated this, I am keeping an open mind.  It's could be that his birthdate of 5/2005 was confused with another lion in his pride or coalition?

I never saw 'verified' photos or those with automatic dates showing month and year.  Maybe these were posted after I joined or I accidently overlooked them??  Anyway, even if those are verified legit for the year and month taken, there is still the issue of his appearance.  I have seen several photos of him when he was young claiming such photos were taken on this or that year, and the age that he was supposed to have been just didn't add up to his overall look to my eyes.  He either looked older or younger than he was supposed to have been.  I cannot recall exact ones as I did not save them.  

Anyway, the difference between 5/2005 or 1/2006, won't show a huge difference.  The photos of when he was a few months old might give a better insight on a more exact date.  

It's a shame there was no recording of birthdates of cubs for well-known prides back then.  Not sure if there is even that these days in the KNP and surrounding reserves.  

Olbernoti's birthdate seems pretty uncontested and more reliable based on official recording at the park, I believe.  He is looking to be able to survive to at least 16, too.
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(11-23-2020, 02:24 PM)Potato Wrote: "Do you know if Hairy Belly is a Southern Cape Lion.They were very big lions and their is not many on record anymore. "

Hairy Belly oryginates from Birmingham pride in Timbavati Game Reserve. He is lion from Greater Kruger Park.

"I am not taking anything away from him but just because the lions in the Mara receive treatment does not mean they don’t have it bad they still have to fight and hunt."

SStill they have huge advantage over Kruger lions.

"However,I believe that Nathan cannot seen your answer as he was been banned from WildFact today after of some behavior that isn't tolerated in this site"


What did he acctually did? Were some of his comments deleted and I can not see his insaults or somethink. Wasn't he just banned for thinking that HB is 15 years old was he?
If he was banned It's because must be a reason
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What a great teeth you have! Up close and personal with Junior Othawa seen recently at Inyati Game Lodge, Sabi Sands Game Reserve
Inyati-Sabi Sands-Posted on November 23/2020.
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(11-23-2020, 03:20 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: The injured Talamati lioness seen recently (today) in the morning (08:30 am) at Djuma in Sabi Sands. Her and the rest of the pride incluiding the Darkmaned Avoca male were feeding of a Giraffe kill,Nonetheless most likely or at least apparently this injury was did by a buffalo or antelope... Basing me on his facial featured, look like one of the Talamati females who were sired by the Selati males
Djuma-Sabi Sands-Posted on November 22/2020.

Another Talamati lioness had similar injury half a year ago, but she healed by now.. It looks like just skin cut off, nasty injury but not life threatning..
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(11-23-2020, 05:52 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(11-23-2020, 03:20 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: The injured Talamati lioness seen recently (today) in the morning (08:30 am) at Djuma in Sabi Sands. Her and the rest of the pride incluiding the Darkmaned Avoca male were feeding of a Giraffe kill,Nonetheless most likely or at least apparently this injury was did by a buffalo or antelope... Basing me on his facial featured, look like one of the Talamati females who were sired by the Selati males
Djuma-Sabi Sands-Posted on November 22/2020.

Another Talamati lioness had similar injury half a year ago, but she healed by now.. It looks like just skin cut off, nasty injury but not life threatning..

Yeah of course. This injury doesn't look like that has punctured to muscles or fractured the bone,Look like a superficial injury. Her was been walking well as per Zaheer Ali
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Southern Pride female and her 2 cubs:


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Young male is obiviously not with them, hope nothing happened to him..
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