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This has been the case for a few days now @Gijima , when posting Facebook videos. Not sure what is going on with them, but there is certainly some sort of issue happening with them.
This has been the case for a few days now @Gijima , when posting Facebook videos. Not sure what is going on with them, but there is certainly some sort of issue happening with them.
Exactly, Look like that Facebook is doing or preparing some updates
OM is another of those that I try to follow a little more closely, such a gorgeous lion, living as a lone dominant male, surrounded by coalitions, and simply doing it his way.
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(11-20-2020, 03:37 AM)BA0701 Wrote: OM is another of those that I try to follow a little more closely, such a gorgeous lion, living as a lone dominant male, surrounded by coalitions, and simply doing it his way.
He became a special lion in a very short time,The OM carries great and legendary genes, Mapogo and Majingilane blood running through a lion. I remember when he had a disagreement with Ginger and he OM beaten up to Ginger. He became very bulky and massive in months. I hope those Mangheni cubs will make it once for all. This pride wasn't been lucky in recent times
(11-20-2020, 03:37 AM)BA0701 Wrote: OM is another of those that I try to follow a little more closely, such a gorgeous lion, living as a lone dominant male, surrounded by coalitions, and simply doing it his way.
He became a special lion in a very short time,The OM carries great and legendary genes, Mapogo and Majingilane blood running through a lion. I remember when he had a disagreement with Ginger and he OM beaten up to Ginger. He became very bulky and massive in months. I hope those Mangheni cubs will make it once for all. This pride wasn't been lucky in recent times
Who was Big Boy Mangheni's father?
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(11-20-2020, 03:37 AM)BA0701 Wrote: OM is another of those that I try to follow a little more closely, such a gorgeous lion, living as a lone dominant male, surrounded by coalitions, and simply doing it his way.
He became a special lion in a very short time,The OM carries great and legendary genes, Mapogo and Majingilane blood running through a lion. I remember when he had a disagreement with Ginger and he OM beaten up to Ginger. He became very bulky and massive in months. I hope those Mangheni cubs will make it once for all. This pride wasn't been lucky in recent times
Who was Big Boy Mangheni's father?
The father's of Big Boy Mangheni were the Majingilane males as well. He was most likely GM (Golden Mane) son
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(11-19-2020, 09:03 PM)Potato Wrote:
(11-19-2020, 03:17 AM)Slayerd Wrote: I've got a question for everybody. Recently the Birmingham Young Male lion was names Osindile which means 'survivor' in Zulu. A worthy name for the young male who had to survive the Ross Males and his leg injury that nearly killed him. Down south, in Sabi Sands, the Nkuhuma Young Male also had to face his own hardships and had to survive. He was also forced to face dominant male lions and on occasion, had to fight them to survive. He lost his mother and partner and had to look after himself for almost a year. The stress led to him losing condition and his mane until he found the Styx Pride. He is also a true Survivor of the bush. Both Males have similar stories and are similar in age but in your opinion, who had a much harsher life they had to survive through?
I would definitely say BYM had more harsh life. I do not think at all Nkuchuma male had particularly harash life for a male lion, rather around standard one. What it comes to pointing out lions around who I would say had harash life then I would go with:
1. Belly Scar N'was - It is rather obvious that with such injury he has life must be/must have been harash, esspecially through out nomadic stage.
2. Mhangeni 12 - Sub adults from which 2 lionesses had survived. Rather we all know the story of those going through constant hunger. Moreover one of them quite recently had very bad injury to her leg. She lost all the muscle on her leg and it looked like she might not survive much longer, but she fully recovered.
3. BIrmingham young male - He had very bad injury, from which many (great most?) believed he will never recover and with the pressure from Ross males he won't survive.
Then honorable mentions:
1. Xikukutsu male - The male who carried rough injury, possibly gorged by buffalo after which he lost most of his mane which indicates also big loses of condition. Hopefully tho lions like him, in physical prime are very resistant and he made full recover. Why I did put him in list over is that he had back up in terms of food source in forms of his blood brother, Monwana and Avoca prides and had no preasure on him from dominant males in the arena like BYM had.
2. Mbiri males - They were forced into nomadic life while they very just 2 and half years old or somewhere just a bit above that, by the new dominant males in the pride (Thanda Impis). Moreover one of them was killed by the dominant males around Orpen Gate. That is very difficult start for a male lions and why I did not put them in list above is that they did surprisingly great for the position they were put into. 3. Tumbela males - Those guys clearly had very rough nomadic life, facing constant hunger and losing two brothers in that stage of their life. Why I did not put them in the list above is that they spent quite a lot of time with their natal pride. They definitelly did not had rough start. I do not know what really went wrong for them. At their age they should have been able to feed for themselfs especially since they were in quite big group which makes hunt easier.
Why not Nkuchuma male even in the mentions list? First he had 3 years of easy life with natal pride. Then Avocas came. The were tolerating him tho for a couple of months before the put a preassure and when they did so, it hasn't been as rough as whatRoss males did to Birmingham male. He left pride at around 3,5 years old. Then he had few months of nomadic life in which he wasn't doing particularly bad. Then he linked up with Styx pride and his life became even easier. I would stay that is what in avarage wild lion gets from the life.
@Potato Is Big Boy Mangheni one of the 12 you mentioned? I can think of few lions who had a rougher go of it that that boy did. An absolute tragedy tbh.
(11-20-2020, 03:37 AM)BA0701 Wrote: OM is another of those that I try to follow a little more closely, such a gorgeous lion, living as a lone dominant male, surrounded by coalitions, and simply doing it his way.
He became a special lion in a very short time,The OM carries great and legendary genes, Mapogo and Majingilane blood running through a lion. I remember when he had a disagreement with Ginger and he OM beaten up to Ginger. He became very bulky and massive in months. I hope those Mangheni cubs will make it once for all. This pride wasn't been lucky in recent times
Who was Big Boy Mangheni's father?
The father's of Big Boy Mangheni were the Majingilane males as well. He was most likely GM (Golden Mane) son
Thank you @"TinoArmando" for that. Did OM take over while he was still in the pride and allow him to stay for a bit? I know once he left the pride, he was somewhat accepted by the Nkuhuma pride, where he actually teamed up with the Nkuhuma male, and he returned to the Nkuhuma Pride after he was separated from Nkuhuma Male. Such a story his life was, and how tragic it was as well.
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(11-19-2020, 03:17 AM)Slayerd Wrote: I've got a question for everybody. Recently the Birmingham Young Male lion was names Osindile which means 'survivor' in Zulu. A worthy name for the young male who had to survive the Ross Males and his leg injury that nearly killed him. Down south, in Sabi Sands, the Nkuhuma Young Male also had to face his own hardships and had to survive. He was also forced to face dominant male lions and on occasion, had to fight them to survive. He lost his mother and partner and had to look after himself for almost a year. The stress led to him losing condition and his mane until he found the Styx Pride. He is also a true Survivor of the bush. Both Males have similar stories and are similar in age but in your opinion, who had a much harsher life they had to survive through?
I would definitely say BYM had more harsh life. I do not think at all Nkuchuma male had particularly harash life for a male lion, rather around standard one. What it comes to pointing out lions around who I would say had harash life then I would go with:
1. Belly Scar N'was - It is rather obvious that with such injury he has life must be/must have been harash, esspecially through out nomadic stage.
2. Mhangeni 12 - Sub adults from which 2 lionesses had survived. Rather we all know the story of those going through constant hunger. Moreover one of them quite recently had very bad injury to her leg. She lost all the muscle on her leg and it looked like she might not survive much longer, but she fully recovered.
3. BIrmingham young male - He had very bad injury, from which many (great most?) believed he will never recover and with the pressure from Ross males he won't survive.
Then honorable mentions:
1. Xikukutsu male - The male who carried rough injury, possibly gorged by buffalo after which he lost most of his mane which indicates also big loses of condition. Hopefully tho lions like him, in physical prime are very resistant and he made full recover. Why I did put him in list over is that he had back up in terms of food source in forms of his blood brother, Monwana and Avoca prides and had no preasure on him from dominant males in the arena like BYM had.
2. Mbiri males - They were forced into nomadic life while they very just 2 and half years old or somewhere just a bit above that, by the new dominant males in the pride (Thanda Impis). Moreover one of them was killed by the dominant males around Orpen Gate. That is very difficult start for a male lions and why I did not put them in list above is that they did surprisingly great for the position they were put into. 3. Tumbela males - Those guys clearly had very rough nomadic life, facing constant hunger and losing two brothers in that stage of their life. Why I did not put them in the list above is that they spent quite a lot of time with their natal pride. They definitelly did not had rough start. I do not know what really went wrong for them. At their age they should have been able to feed for themselfs especially since they were in quite big group which makes hunt easier.
Why not Nkuchuma male even in the mentions list? First he had 3 years of easy life with natal pride. Then Avocas came. The were tolerating him tho for a couple of months before the put a preassure and when they did so, it hasn't been as rough as whatRoss males did to Birmingham male. He left pride at around 3,5 years old. Then he had few months of nomadic life in which he wasn't doing particularly bad. Then he linked up with Styx pride and his life became even easier. I would stay that is what in avarage wild lion gets from the life.
@Potato Is Big Boy Mangheni one of the 12 you mentioned? I can think of few lions who had a rougher go of it that that buy did. An absolute tragedy tbh.
Exactly, Potato was referring to the same Big boy Mangheni and the other 11 Mangheni boys almost all of them suffered mange that was so sad watching Safari live on social media at Djuma Sabi Sands how this mange has been affecting them day by day. The good thing is that those warriors now don't suffer anymore. RIP
(11-20-2020, 03:37 AM)BA0701 Wrote: OM is another of those that I try to follow a little more closely, such a gorgeous lion, living as a lone dominant male, surrounded by coalitions, and simply doing it his way.
He became a special lion in a very short time,The OM carries great and legendary genes, Mapogo and Majingilane blood running through a lion. I remember when he had a disagreement with Ginger and he OM beaten up to Ginger. He became very bulky and massive in months. I hope those Mangheni cubs will make it once for all. This pride wasn't been lucky in recent times
Who was Big Boy Mangheni's father?
The father's of Big Boy Mangheni were the Majingilane males as well. He was most likely GM (Golden Mane) son
Thank you @"TinoArmando" for that. Did OM take over while he was still in the pride and allow him to stay for a bit? I know once he left the pride, he was somewhat accepted by the Nkuhuma pride, where he actually teamed up with the Nkuhuma male, and he returned to the Nkuhuma Pride after he was separated from Nkuhuma Male. Such a story his life was, and how tragic it was as well.
As far I remember. OM never interacted with the Mangheni male. At that time the Mangheni male was with the Nkuhuma pride already forming part of that pride of lions including the Nkuhuma male and the two Talamati males (Selati sons).
(11-19-2020, 03:17 AM)Slayerd Wrote: I've got a question for everybody. Recently the Birmingham Young Male lion was names Osindile which means 'survivor' in Zulu. A worthy name for the young male who had to survive the Ross Males and his leg injury that nearly killed him. Down south, in Sabi Sands, the Nkuhuma Young Male also had to face his own hardships and had to survive. He was also forced to face dominant male lions and on occasion, had to fight them to survive. He lost his mother and partner and had to look after himself for almost a year. The stress led to him losing condition and his mane until he found the Styx Pride. He is also a true Survivor of the bush. Both Males have similar stories and are similar in age but in your opinion, who had a much harsher life they had to survive through?
I would definitely say BYM had more harsh life. I do not think at all Nkuchuma male had particularly harash life for a male lion, rather around standard one. What it comes to pointing out lions around who I would say had harash life then I would go with:
1. Belly Scar N'was - It is rather obvious that with such injury he has life must be/must have been harash, esspecially through out nomadic stage.
2. Mhangeni 12 - Sub adults from which 2 lionesses had survived. Rather we all know the story of those going through constant hunger. Moreover one of them quite recently had very bad injury to her leg. She lost all the muscle on her leg and it looked like she might not survive much longer, but she fully recovered.
3. BIrmingham young male - He had very bad injury, from which many (great most?) believed he will never recover and with the pressure from Ross males he won't survive.
Then honorable mentions:
1. Xikukutsu male - The male who carried rough injury, possibly gorged by buffalo after which he lost most of his mane which indicates also big loses of condition. Hopefully tho lions like him, in physical prime are very resistant and he made full recover. Why I did put him in list over is that he had back up in terms of food source in forms of his blood brother, Monwana and Avoca prides and had no preasure on him from dominant males in the arena like BYM had.
2. Mbiri males - They were forced into nomadic life while they very just 2 and half years old or somewhere just a bit above that, by the new dominant males in the pride (Thanda Impis). Moreover one of them was killed by the dominant males around Orpen Gate. That is very difficult start for a male lions and why I did not put them in list above is that they did surprisingly great for the position they were put into. 3. Tumbela males - Those guys clearly had very rough nomadic life, facing constant hunger and losing two brothers in that stage of their life. Why I did not put them in the list above is that they spent quite a lot of time with their natal pride. They definitelly did not had rough start. I do not know what really went wrong for them. At their age they should have been able to feed for themselfs especially since they were in quite big group which makes hunt easier.
Why not Nkuchuma male even in the mentions list? First he had 3 years of easy life with natal pride. Then Avocas came. The were tolerating him tho for a couple of months before the put a preassure and when they did so, it hasn't been as rough as whatRoss males did to Birmingham male. He left pride at around 3,5 years old. Then he had few months of nomadic life in which he wasn't doing particularly bad. Then he linked up with Styx pride and his life became even easier. I would stay that is what in avarage wild lion gets from the life.
@Potato Is Big Boy Mangheni one of the 12 you mentioned? I can think of few lions who had a rougher go of it that that buy did. An absolute tragedy tbh.
Exactly, Potato was referring to the same Big boy Mangheni and the other 11 Mangheni boys almost all of them suffered mange that was so sad watching Safari live on social media at Djuma Sabi Sands how this mange has been affecting them day by day. The good thing is that those warriors now don't suffer anymore. RIP
Ok, yeah, I thought he had to be included in that list. Few living lions ever had a rougher go than that boy did.
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(11-20-2020, 04:21 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(11-20-2020, 03:56 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:
(11-20-2020, 03:46 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(11-19-2020, 09:03 PM)Potato Wrote:
(11-19-2020, 03:17 AM)Slayerd Wrote: I've got a question for everybody. Recently the Birmingham Young Male lion was names Osindile which means 'survivor' in Zulu. A worthy name for the young male who had to survive the Ross Males and his leg injury that nearly killed him. Down south, in Sabi Sands, the Nkuhuma Young Male also had to face his own hardships and had to survive. He was also forced to face dominant male lions and on occasion, had to fight them to survive. He lost his mother and partner and had to look after himself for almost a year. The stress led to him losing condition and his mane until he found the Styx Pride. He is also a true Survivor of the bush. Both Males have similar stories and are similar in age but in your opinion, who had a much harsher life they had to survive through?
Definitivamente diría que BYM tuvo una vida más dura. No creo en absoluto que el macho de Nkuchuma tuviera una vida particularmente harash para un león macho, más bien alrededor de la estándar. Lo que se trata de señalar a los leones alrededor con los que yo diría que tenían una vida harash, entonces iría con:
1. Belly Scar N'was: es bastante obvio que con tal lesión, la vida debe ser / debe haber sido harash, especialmente a través de fuera etapa nómada.
2. Mhangeni 12 - Subadultos de los que habían sobrevivido 2 leonas. Más bien, todos conocemos la historia de quienes pasan por un hambre constante. Además, uno de ellos tuvo recientemente una lesión muy grave en la pierna. Perdió todo el músculo de su pierna y parecía que no sobreviviría mucho más tiempo, pero se recuperó por completo.
3. Varón joven de Birmingham - Tenía una lesión muy grave, de la cual muchos (¿la mayoría?) Creían que nunca se recuperará y con la presión de los machos Ross no sobrevivirá.
Luego menciones honoríficas:
1. Macho Xikukutsu - El macho que sufrió una herida grave, posiblemente atiborrada de búfalos, después de lo cual perdió la mayor parte de su melena, lo que indica también grandes pérdidas de condición. Ojalá que los leones como él, en su mejor momento físico, sean muy resistentes y se recupere por completo. La razón por la que lo puse en la lista es que tenía una copia de seguridad en términos de fuente de alimento en las formas de su hermano de sangre, Monwana y Avoca se enorgullecen y no tenía presión sobre él por parte de los hombres dominantes en la arena como BYM.
2. Machos Mbiri - Fueron forzados a la vida nómada cuando tenían solo 2 años y medio o en algún lugar un poco más arriba, por los nuevos machos dominantes en la manada (Thanda Impis). Además, uno de ellos fue asesinado por los machos dominantes alrededor de Orpen Gate. Ese es un comienzo muy difícil para los leones machos y la razón por la que no los incluí en la lista anterior es que lo hicieron sorprendentemente bien para la posición en la que fueron puestos. 3. Hombres Tumbela - Esos tipos claramente tenían una vida nómada muy dura, enfrentando hambre constante y perdiendo a dos hermanos en esa etapa de su vida. La razón por la que no los puse en la lista anterior es que pasaron bastante tiempo con su orgullo natal. Definitivamente no tuvieron un comienzo difícil. No sé qué les salió mal. A su edad, deberían haber podido alimentarse por sí mismos, especialmente porque estaban en un grupo bastante grande, lo que facilita la caza.
¿Por qué no Nkuchuma ni siquiera en la lista de menciones? Primero tuvo 3 años de vida fácil con orgullo natal. Luego vino Avocas. Aunque lo estuvieron tolerando durante un par de meses antes de que pusieran una presión y cuando lo hicieron, no fue tan duro como lo que Ross males le hizo a Bi.hombre de rmingham. Dejó el orgullo alrededor de los 3,5 años. Luego tuvo unos meses de vida nómada en los que no le fue particularmente mal. Luego se vinculó con el orgullo Styx y su vida se volvió aún más fácil. Me quedaría que es lo que en promedio obtiene el león salvaje de la vida.
@ "Potato" ¿Big Boy Mangheni es uno de los 12 que mencionaste? Puedo pensar en algunos leones que lo pasaron peor que esa compra. Una absoluta tragedia tbh.
Exactamente, Potato se refería al mismo Big Boy Mangheni y los otros 11 niños Mangheni, casi todos ellos sufrieron sarna que fue muy triste ver a Safari en vivo en las redes sociales en Djuma Sabi Sands cómo esta sarna los ha estado afectando día a día. Lo bueno es que esos guerreros ya no sufren más. Q.E.P.D
Ok, sí, pensé que tenía que estar incluido en esa lista. Pocos leones vivientes tuvieron una vida más dura que la de ese niño.
Exactly, Often the hardest fights are for the best warriors
A good but sad sighting. I read somewhere the fourth (lone) cub was abandoned by its mom (lioness was seen mating again) and was following this lioness with the 3 cubs around. Unfortunately the fourth cub isn’t here and one cub looks like it has a severe case of mange.
