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Lions of Sabi Sands

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(12-10-2021, 11:50 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Kambulas and Nhenha in Londolozi 

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We shouldnt get ahead of ourself though.
Londolozi is a nomansland between lion territories.
Even without Tinyos disappearance its normal for the BBoys to leave it for a while to return to Mala Mala. Or for exploring lion coalitions to move in for a bit without confronting coalitions.

So these events on their own mean nothing regarding Tinyos status.
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(12-11-2021, 03:14 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: We shouldnt get ahead of ourself though.
Londolozi is a nomansland between lion territories.
Even without Tinyos disappearance its normal for the BBoys to leave it for a while to return to Mala Mala. 
Or for exploring lion coalitions to move in for a bit without confronting coalitions.

So tthese events on their own mean nothing regarding Tinyos status.

I highly disagree. It literally pieces it all together. No, Londolozi has never been a place where lions leave for a while, I don't know where you heard that.
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(12-11-2021, 04:50 PM)Slayerd Wrote:
(12-11-2021, 03:14 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: We shouldnt get ahead of ourself though.
Londolozi is a nomansland between lion territories.
Even without Tinyos disappearance its normal for the BBoys to leave it for a while to return to Mala Mala. 
Or for exploring lion coalitions to move in for a bit without confronting coalitions.

So tthese events on their own mean nothing regarding Tinyos status.

I highly disagree. It literally pieces it all together. No, Londolozi has never been a place where lions leave for a while, I don't know where you heard that.
Just a look at the map?

It lies on the border between the Nkuhuma, Mhangeni and Kambula pride. Which each spend a lot of time in Singita, Northern Sabi Sands and Mala Mala respectively aswell. 
None of these groups has even half of their territories in Londolozi and the further you get from the core of the territory, the less defined the border becomes. As for the coalitions, its really not much different for them.

As a result, its perfectly normal for a group to move out of the reserve for a while as they wander around in their own territories. Its not like they have any concept of the imaginary lines humans drew on the map.
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@Tonpa you know that DM Avoca was seen eating a rhino kill with unknown subadult male 4-5 months' ago. Any news on that young male since?
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(12-11-2021, 09:31 PM)lionuk Wrote: @Tonpa you know that DM Avoca was seen eating a rhino kill with unknown subadult male 4-5 months' ago. Any news on that young male since?

Could be Black Dam young male who returned to Timbavati. He was in Sabi Sands in September.
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(12-11-2021, 09:31 PM)lionuk Wrote: @Tonpa you know that DM Avoca was seen eating a rhino kill with unknown subadult male 4-5 months' ago. Any news on that young male since?

The young male with DM in december 2020? He was last seen around the last week of July, no sightings since
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(12-11-2021, 09:37 PM)Mdz123 Wrote: Could be Black Dam young male who returned to Timbavati. He was in Sabi Sands in September.
Yeah, it could be that young male. But that incident happened around June or July, I think. Furthermore, that young male didn't have much mane as that Black Dam male had.
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An Unexpected Sighting
Early one morning, we, unfortunately, came across a sad scene at Silvan Safari. We saw a young elephant dead in the bush, approximately three years old. The elephant died of natural causes, which happens out here because only the strongest survive. Upon finding that the carcass is relatively fresh, we were surprised that there was no other wildlife around - no predators or vultures….yet. The elephant buffet was waiting to be claimed. 

Only a Matter of Time
The following day, we headed straight to the area to see what had happened overnight. We could see the elephant had certainly been discovered when we approached. There were vultures in the trees above, which is a tell-tale sign of predators. 
As we approached, there they were. Blondie and Mohawk, our two big Avoca boys. This was great news after their altercation with the four Nzenga males. It may have been an essential lifeline for them to bulk up, heal their injuries and get a well-deserved elephant buffet in. 
And a well-deserved meal it certainly was with two tons of meat to eat between the two of them – and the boys didn't hold back! Lions, of course, hunt and are good hunters at that. However, they're always willing to scavenge on a free meal served on a silver platter for them.


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Scavenger Hunt 
Hundreds of vultures flew about, from white-backed, hooded to even the rarer white-headed vulture and Lappet-faced vulture scattered around the trees awaiting their opportunity to descend onto the feast they were waiting for. A few hyenas were also closing in, but they would not dare to get close with the two big boys still enjoying their fair share of the feast.
The Avoca boys sat on the elephant for about seven days, sleeping, feeding and going to get some water to wash down the meal. This is typical dominant male lion behaviour, knowing that nothing will disturb them as the elephant was in the heart of their territory[color=rgba(10, 10, 10, 0.85)]
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Elephant Buffet
They just kept eating and eating until their stomachs were about to pop. And then they continued to eat some more. They were undoubtedly taking full advantage of this opportunity that only happens once in a while. We have to remember that it may not look that appealing to us, but lions can't go to the local supermarket to get their food. They never know when their next meal comes along, and this meal is as close to a Big Mac meal as it comes!
This sighting rolled out in several ways, with the Avoca boys eventually admitting defeat that they won't be able to finish the whole elephant. They also couldn't afford to spend another week not marking territory and ensuring no invaders had come into their precious area.


Leftovers
Once the Avoca boys moved off, to our surprise, six young Nkuhuma sub-adults moved in to get their fill of the feast. After a week, you can imagine the smells, and they ate but didn't last too long, getting their fill before moving off.
Once no lions were in sight, it was time for the long-awaited visitors that have been licking their lips for the last eight days to descend and run in simultaneously to grab their full and what's left of the elephant. With the vultures and hyenas ripping what's left of the elephant, they were done within hours.


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Mating Lions by in Sabi Sabi Yolanda Reigadas (4th video)

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The Imbali/S8 male feeding on a bufallo carcass with the Talamati sub-adult male, presumably Blondie, Talamati 2. Isn't it interesting? 
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5th mantimahle and newphew? 
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(12-12-2021, 12:27 AM)Tonpa Wrote: 5th mantimahle and newphew? 
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Yes, that's the fifth Mantimahle and one of the S36/Mantimahle young males
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(12-11-2021, 05:36 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote:
(12-11-2021, 04:50 PM)Slayerd Wrote:
(12-11-2021, 03:14 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: We shouldnt get ahead of ourself though.
Londolozi is a nomansland between lion territories.
Even without Tinyos disappearance its normal for the BBoys to leave it for a while to return to Mala Mala. 
Or for exploring lion coalitions to move in for a bit without confronting coalitions.

So tthese events on their own mean nothing regarding Tinyos status.

I highly disagree. It literally pieces it all together. No, Londolozi has never been a place where lions leave for a while, I don't know where you heard that.
Just a look at the map?

It lies on the border between the Nkuhuma, Mhangeni and Kambula pride. Which each spend a lot of time in Singita, Northern Sabi Sands and Mala Mala respectively aswell. 
None of these groups has even half of their territories in Londolozi and the further you get from the core of the territory, the less defined the border becomes. As for the coalitions, its really not much different for them.

As a result, its perfectly normal for a group to move out of the reserve for a while as they wander around in their own territories. Its not like they have any concept of the imaginary lines humans drew on the map.

No I don't think you understand, it was a part of Bboys territory and they just stopped coming into it. It has nothing to do with roaming their territory. It was raining around the time the invasion happened, if Nhenha truly wanted to hold the territory, which again is his territory and has been for 4 years, he would have returned to mark it as rain washes scent and Male lions always patrol immediately after rain to re-mark his territory. He didn't. Like Londolozi themselves have stated. I understand what you mean by exploring other areas of their territory but it does not work in this regard.
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They have a big territory and Londolozi may just be not worth the efford right now. Lions dont care much about maps and borders. They just own what they feel like owning that day. Especially at the border. 

They can easily vacate an area for a bit when its depleted, only to return to it later when the prey moves back in.
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