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Lions of Sabi Sands
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 (06-15-2020, 09:25 PM)Potato Wrote: Birminghams reign as a duo may end up shortly if we keep on chassing those youngsters separatly. One they youngsters may turn around take 2vs1 fight which would end up really bad for Birmingham male. No, these 2 males are waay too young to take a fight vs dominant male.. even if they can win in 2 vs 1 (which is very questionable, even in a 2 vs 1,dominant and experience male as Nhenha can easly injure one of them to the point that they will just run away) , they will never take that fight at this stage, they are barely 3 yrs old.. I've never seen a video of lions this young stand against dominant male, they always run away,good example is Scar Nose chasing away 3 Tsalala and 1 Avoca from the kill, so thats 4 lions, and they where older then this 2 boys. But agree with @Potato, if those where 4 N'ws, they might not be impressed by only 1 dominant male..  (06-15-2020, 10:35 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(06-15-2020, 09:25 PM)Potato Wrote: Birminghams reign as a duo may end up shortly if we keep on chassing those youngsters separatly. One they youngsters may turn around take 2vs1 fight which would end up really bad for Birmingham male.  (06-15-2020, 10:19 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Do lions that young ever stand and fight with a prime male? Very often they do if they find themselfs in situation 2vs1 (like Ross males vs Mabande and against Giraffe male, Monwana males vs Black Dam male and so on). Very rarely it happens when with equal numbers, but sometimes it does when youngster(s) is/are powerfull indyvidual like Charlestons or Mbiris. (06-15-2020, 10:47 PM)Potato Wrote: Very often they do if they find themselfs in situation 2vs1 (like Ross males vs Mabande and against Giraffe male, Monwana males vs Black Dam male and so on). Very rarely it happens when with equal numbers, but sometimes it does when youngster(s) is/are powerfull indyvidual like Charlestons or Mbiris. All those mentioned lions where older then this 2 males, they where atleast 4 yrs old and already nomadic for some time and in the phase of searching for their territory, this 2 are not in that phase yet.. (06-15-2020, 10:35 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(06-15-2020, 09:25 PM)Potato Wrote: Birminghams reign as a duo may end up shortly if we keep on chassing those youngsters separatly. One they youngsters may turn around take 2vs1 fight which would end up really bad for Birmingham male. It doesn't work that way. The single male is always on lossing position as he can not protect his flanks. There is no way Nhenha (or bassicly any other lion) could injure two 3 years old youngsters in 2vs1 fight. He would at least took a beating like Salati male once took from 2 young Birminghams and I would be not suprised at all if it would end up worst for Birmingham male. (06-15-2020, 10:53 PM)Potato Wrote: It doesn't work that way. The single male is always on lossing position as he can not protect his flanks. There is no way Nhenha (or bassicly any other lion) could injure two 3 years old youngsters in 2vs1 fight. He would at least took a beating like Salati male once took from 2 young Birminghams and I would be not suprised at all if it would end up worst for Birmingham male. BBoys where 4.5 - 5 yrs old when they fight 1 Selati male.. It doesn't work because i've never seen a 3 yrs old lions stand and fight against dominant male,even if they have numbers, they will always run away, and thats because they know that dominant male can seriously injure them.. Even in a 2 vs 1, dominant male will grab one and seriously injure him before the second one can put damage, they dont have the power.. 
Let me rephrase my original question then, is there any reports of 3-year old nomadic males that have have fought against a prime male?
(06-15-2020, 11:02 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Let me rephrase my original question then, is there any reports of 3-year old nomadic males that have have fought against a prime male? As far as I know, no, i have never seen that.. Only that come close is Big Boy Charleston vs Sand River male, Big Boy was around 3.5 yrs,and already bigger then Sand River..
I remember scar and tyson chasing the mopogo, they will have only been 3 at the time?
(06-15-2020, 10:51 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(06-15-2020, 10:47 PM)Potato Wrote: Very often they do if they find themselfs in situation 2vs1 (like Ross males vs Mabande and against Giraffe male, Monwana males vs Black Dam male and so on). Very rarely it happens when with equal numbers, but sometimes it does when youngster(s) is/are powerfull indyvidual like Charlestons or Mbiris. Mbiris weren't yet 4 when they beat up Mapoza males and just over 3 when they chassed single Mapoza male. Charleston male was just over 3 when he fought Sand River male. Othawa male was just over 3 when he was roaring in Londolozi. I do not remember when Ross males were born, but in mentioned fight they were yet nearly maneless youngster. Also there we speak about defending themself, not terrytorial challange so also different kind of situation.
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(06-15-2020, 11:17 PM)Potato Wrote: Mbiris weren't yet 4 when they beat up Mapoza males. Charleston male was just over 3 when he fought Sand River male. Othawa male was just over 3 when he was roaring in Londolozi. I do not remember when Ross males were born, but in mentioned fight they were yet nearly maneless youngster. Also there we speak about defending themself, not terrytorial challange so also different kind of situation. Mbiris where almost 4 when they chased Mapoza, Ross males where almost 4.5 - 5 yrs old (born early 2011) when they fight Trilogy and Giraffe males (mid to late 2015). Othawa male to this day at over 5 yrs old runs away from single BBoy, even if he has the size.. It depends of the single individuals, but 3 yrs old lions will 99% of the time run away from dominant male.. Some lions over 4 yrs old will run away, even if they have numbers.. These 2 in a half a year might not run, because they are very big lions, we'll see.. |
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