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Not necessary as roaring is a lot higher on the escalation ladder and openly invites a fight.
Scent marking is a bit like moving a border post slightly to the left to get that nice field in your nation. If your opponent doesnt notice or care you can get away with it. While roaring is akin to holding a huge speech on national television declaring war on anyone that disagrees with where the borders lie. Scent markings are also a lot more accurate than roaring if it comes to mapping the boundaries. A roar may afteral not cover all the area a coalition holds. Nor does it stop at the borders of a territory so even if you hear a rival group roaring, an area may still be safe to take. It's also possible that the group has been split up and those marks aren't territorial but rather a way to regroup.  (12-06-2022, 11:45 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Will the Nkhula males not be roaring if they are scent marking? This kind od scent marking is not exactly act of "open" takeover attempt, as @Duco Ndona said, its more of "sneaky" attempt to gain some ground if territorial males dont respond, they are kinda testing how far they can push and grab some area for free. Also they are kinda "hopeful" to attract some females in estrus thru their scent. Its not exactly in their interest to roar in unfamiliar territory, they prob dont know yet against how many males they are, also that way territorial males can regroup, easily locate them and chase them out. Sneaky attack like Gijima males did, to eliminate few members alone, is far more effective. Remember, these guys are still young, they prob still dont have confidence for open war against multiple territorial males. These guys traveled thru S. Avocas and Gijima males territories, and didn't attack or challenge them. Apparently 2 Gijima males caught their scent marks in Sabi Sabi today, seen scent marking bushes and roling in the mud. 
It could be simply signalling between nomadic coalition members when it's not possible to openly vocalise due to the risks involved.
@BA0701 Indeed, my bad if it felt like I was being too pessimistic, Kambula pride is one of my favorites and I definitely don't want anything to happen to them, and I have a soft spot for lone females trying to rebuild their pride so I'm also cheering for the southern lioness as her daughters aren't old enough to mate.
So it's not like I appreciate this new threat. Maybe I'm just feeling down due to what happened to my favorite pride ( Othawa ) at the paws of these new males' brothers ( and Birminghams ) so to know that there are more or less 6 young, big and if anything similar to their half-brothers, aggressive new males makes me worried that something similar may happen to the prides in Mala Mala and Londolozi if they stick around.  (12-07-2022, 04:56 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @BA0701 Indeed, my bad if it felt like I was being too pessimistic, Kambula pride is one of my favorites and I definitely don't want anything to happen to them, and I have a soft spot for lone females trying to rebuild their pride so I'm also cheering for the southern lioness as her daughters aren't old enough to mate. I feel the exact same way about all of these lions, so I totally understand my friend. We'll just keep hoping for the best.
5 Nkuhlu males ID's :
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The new males look more developed than I thought they'd be. Some look like they'll have impressive manes in the future.
(12-08-2022, 06:42 AM)Mapokser Wrote: The new males look more developed than I thought they'd be. Some look like they'll have impressive manes in the future. Well, their half brothers, PC males, also looked like that at around 4 yrs old :  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
 (12-07-2022, 04:19 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: 5 Nkuhlu males ID's : The third and the fifth ones in particular look very much like the PC Males. I think these boys are going to look equally impressive. They'll be trouble if they stick around.
Anyone know what is going on with S8 Male? He is looking very thin, and getting up a bit gingerly.
Cubs were skinny too yesterday, hopefully they can catch something soon
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