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Lions of Sabi Sands
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11-29-2021, 08:22 AM
( This post was last modified: 12-09-2021, 01:50 AM by DE_66
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(11-26-2021, 12:20 AM)sundarbans Wrote: Has there been any updates about the Tsalalas? Is it confirmed that the PC males were the ones that killed the Tsalala Princess and what would be the reason for their doing so? And any news about the daughter? I don't think there was ever any proof presented that it was the PC Males other than the fact that they were seen in the vicinity of the body. Them being nearby means nothing, though. Something had been eating the carcass. They could have followed the vultures or the sound of scavengers consuming the body. Or maybe it was them who killed her. There's no proof, only speculation. IMO it wasn't the the PC Males. The Mbiri Pride killed a rival lioness last year, then Junior Matimba/Nkuhuma showed up and started eating her. He was there, but wasn't responsible for her death. (11-29-2021, 02:27 AM)sik94 Wrote:(11-29-2021, 01:55 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: When and why did he seperate from his brothers? The Southern Avocas pushed into his territory and he joined up with some of his sons/nephews instead of returning to his brothers. (11-29-2021, 08:17 AM)Timbavati Wrote:(11-29-2021, 08:11 AM)DE_66 Wrote:(11-21-2021, 07:28 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:Can someone confirm? I'm pretty sure Sassy was born in late 2015 (I thought December, but I could be wrong). I remember her first litter of cubs appearing towards the end of 2018.(11-21-2021, 03:16 PM)Slayerd Wrote: The problem for the Tsalala young female isn't her ability to survive on her own like the Sparta cub. Obviously the wild is unpredictable so all things are a danger but her skills should be good enough. She is 2 years and 10 months,nearly 3 years old. Certain lioness fall pregnant earlier like Sassy who had her first cubs at 3 years. The biggest problem is the other lions around her. She has no safety net. To the west is the Mangheni and Othawa, to the east is the Nkuhuma, to the south is the kambula breakaway and south east is the Kambula pride. She is also surrounded by males and can't use mating as a means to save herself. The only males she is safe with is her father but Nhenha is near the Kambula famales. She has to try and stay low and not bring attention to herself Thank you for the correction. I must have mixed up her birth with some other lions I was following. (11-11-2021, 10:43 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(11-11-2021, 10:25 PM)Gijima Wrote: @lionuk Thank you, at least someone saw him in person. N'was COULD end up like the Vurhamis IF they're not careful.  (11-29-2021, 08:23 AM)DE_66 Wrote:(11-28-2021, 08:04 PM)Timbavati Wrote: A great sighting of the fifth Mantimahle and one of the S36/Mantimahle young males in Northern Sabi Sands I couldn't be more agree. (11-29-2021, 08:32 AM)DE_66 Wrote:Always a pleasure, don't worry(11-29-2021, 08:17 AM)Timbavati Wrote:(11-29-2021, 08:11 AM)DE_66 Wrote:(11-21-2021, 07:28 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:Can someone confirm? I'm pretty sure Sassy was born in late 2015 (I thought December, but I could be wrong). I remember her first litter of cubs appearing towards the end of 2018.(11-21-2021, 03:16 PM)Slayerd Wrote: The problem for the Tsalala young female isn't her ability to survive on her own like the Sparta cub. Obviously the wild is unpredictable so all things are a danger but her skills should be good enough. She is 2 years and 10 months,nearly 3 years old. Certain lioness fall pregnant earlier like Sassy who had her first cubs at 3 years. The biggest problem is the other lions around her. She has no safety net. To the west is the Mangheni and Othawa, to the east is the Nkuhuma, to the south is the kambula breakaway and south east is the Kambula pride. She is also surrounded by males and can't use mating as a means to save herself. The only males she is safe with is her father but Nhenha is near the Kambula famales. She has to try and stay low and not bring attention to herself  (11-29-2021, 08:36 AM)DE_66 Wrote:Any coalition can end up as the Vurhamis if they're not careful.(11-11-2021, 10:43 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(11-11-2021, 10:25 PM)Gijima Wrote: @lionuk Thank you, at least someone saw him in person. 
Pretty much this.
Having good "blood" or big numbers in your coalition mean nothing if you are a slow learner of the laws of nature. Plenty of lions are build up to be big new king of the reserve. only to disappear without a trace in their first years. Just think of Nguvu, Nym and Syms coalition or the Othawa youngsters.  (11-29-2021, 03:38 PM)WildRev Wrote:(11-29-2021, 08:36 AM)DE_66 Wrote:Any coalition can end up as the Vurhamis if they're not careful.(11-11-2021, 10:43 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(11-11-2021, 10:25 PM)Gijima Wrote: @lionuk Thank you, at least someone saw him in person. This is why the Majingilanes were so succesful for so long. Be careful and have a strong bond. The 5th male wasnt careful and got killed by Mapogos, which shows what you are saying. 
As for PC males being responsible for Tsalala's death, the carcass has what seems like a lion bite wounds on top of her neck. It could happen any random way I guess but male lion suffocating her, being above or on top of her seems very likely. There might not even be an apparent reason, there was a fatality in a group of zoo lions done in similar way, all of a sudden, simply an excess. Tsalala also could have try to get her daughter more time to escape, she might not be as quick due her pregnancy and not receptive to any mating attempts. PC males already killed a female sub-adult quite recently (in contrast to Limper Tumbela who seemed to be no danger to the Ximhungwe cub/sub-adult). Unimaginable things and freak accidents happen, but PC males are very likely culprits or rather one of them with or without the other being involved (if it was a mating attempt gone wrong, likely without). Certainly they don't seem to turn out as gentle ones.
 (11-29-2021, 05:19 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Pretty much this. I do still hope we receive word on Junior one of these days. (11-29-2021, 08:22 AM)DE_66 Wrote:(11-26-2021, 12:20 AM)sundarbans Wrote: Has there been any updates about the Tsalalas? Is it confirmed that the PC males were the ones that killed the Tsalala Princess and what would be the reason for their doing so? And any news about the daughter? That was the second of the last two Koppies lionesses, and Junior fathered her cubs. There were seven cubs between the two females, then the final female was seen without the cubs a couple times not long after the incident you mentioned then disappeared. It is believed she moved into Kruger, unknown what happened to the cubs.
He probably isnt death yet. But until his coalition fell apart, people were really building him up to be the new big kings of Kruger etc.
Now we are glad if we get any hints he is alive. Which is a somewhat more reasonable outlook on young nomadic males to be honest. Speaking of male Othawa cubs. Its now reported they are apparently down to just one male cub. (That is, one of the two apparently got misgendered, none killed). Which is great news for the pride. 5 new lionesses is just what they need to breath new life in the current group of aging lionesses. But that poor sole male cub is going to have a very rough life later on. There is no real evidence, but If I were to put my money on it and assuming the blame lies with lions and not hyenas, illness or some hunting accident. Id put it on the PC males. They were seen closeby and whereever they go, the Nkuhuma male or the Mhangeni probably stay clear of. |
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