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Lions of Manyeleti
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 (11-25-2024, 09:32 PM)sunless Wrote: Mandevu and Mbiri Orpen Male: Amazing to see young male acting territorial when he is not even 4 yrs old, rare to see. I guess having Mandevu by his side helps, but he already showed signs of this months before when Ncile and Mandevu where in Kruger. He is also so similar to his dad Jr. when he was 4 yrs old in 2016 :  *This image is copyright of its original author My only worry is if they face some experience duo, like Mongawanes, who are pushing from the north, that inexperience of young male will show, and it might be problem for him or Mandevu.  (11-25-2024, 11:40 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(11-25-2024, 09:32 PM)sunless Wrote: Mandevu and Mbiri Orpen Male: Mongawanes are enormous, and have been together for quite some time now, so they certainly have the experience edge. I am one of those who believe it was they who likely brought about Ncile's demise, too. Strange how that works out, I remember BYM sneaking through the brush, and watching those Mbiri young males on a kill, during one of his early walk-abouts, just a couple of weeks before he met TYM. I doubt the Mbiris would have done anything to him, being nomads themselves, at the time, but BYM played it safe, and stayed in the shadows. (11-26-2024, 12:14 AM)BA0701 Wrote: I remember BYM sneaking through the brush, and watching those Mbiri young males on a kill, during one of his early walk-abouts, just a couple of weeks before he met TYM. I doubt the Mbiris would have done anything to him, being nomads themselves, at the time, but BYM played it safe, and stayed in the shadows. Yea i remember that. Tintswalos where 4 members at that time and had bright future, now few years later down to 1 remaining member. Tintswalos didnt had best luck over the years, coalition of big "what if". 
Mandeuvi with the Orpen son and the Mbiri pride by Vestment:
 *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author Orpen son:  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
Tintswalo giving us the background of the young Orpen Male. I did not know he could be the last of the Koppies pride, basically one of those cubs that last female took off with, after that big fight with the Mbiri Pride. I always thought he was one of the cubs from the Skorro Pride.
I thought he was born in the mbiri pride when he was born the 3 tintswalo males didn’t killed him
 (Yesterday, 09:05 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Tintswalo giving us the background of the young Orpen Male. I did not know he could be the last of the Koppies pride, basically one of those cubs that last female took off with, after that big fight with the Mbiri Pride. I always thought he was one of the cubs from the Skorro Pride. " Mandevu is growing up to be a beast" good to know... I also tought Orpen Jr Mbiri was born in the Mbiri Pride I wonder how trustworthy is this video (Yesterday, 10:23 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote:(Yesterday, 09:05 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Tintswalo giving us the background of the young Orpen Male. I did not know he could be the last of the Koppies pride, basically one of those cubs that last female took off with, after that big fight with the Mbiri Pride. I always thought he was one of the cubs from the Skorro Pride. He is a Tintswalo guide, does a lot of their virtual safaris, so he is certainly trustworthy, though I am not saying he is correct on this matter, as I simply do not know for sure, myself. Though, after he made that comment, it got me thinking. I am in no way saying this is a certainty, but the age, to me, would match those Koppies cubs, more than any from Skorro Pride. Charlie, @EverseenSA, one of our friends here, actually filmed the events following the first fight with the Mbiris, when all of the Koppies cubs finally returned out of the bush, to the pride, even Junior was there, it was an exhilarating video, my wife was in tears watching it (to this day, I have always felt that Charlie's videos were the best made videos of any I have seen, stunning cinematography). Then, later on, there was another fight between them, which left one Koppies lioness, and 5 cubs remaining, and there were images (possibly video as well), of that lone lioness taking those 5 cubs, and heading into Kruger. We never heard from them since. As for his comment about Mandevu being a beast, I think he may have been mistaken in this instance, because he immediately said how the Orpen Male was becoming a real "unit" of a lion, right afterwards, saying he is even bigger than Mandevu. So, while I might be mistaken, I think he was referring to the Orpen Male with that comment. (Yesterday, 10:46 PM)BA0701 Wrote:The Mandevu comment was just a minor mistake , I just found it a funny(Yesterday, 10:23 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote:(Yesterday, 09:05 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Tintswalo giving us the background of the young Orpen Male. I did not know he could be the last of the Koppies pride, basically one of those cubs that last female took off with, after that big fight with the Mbiri Pride. I always thought he was one of the cubs from the Skorro Pride. I asked if it is trustworthy because sometimes lodges tend to mistake lions ids, and not all have 100% knowledge of what happend I dont know much about this topic thats why I asked, thank you!! (Yesterday, 11:09 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote:(Yesterday, 10:46 PM)BA0701 Wrote:The Mandevu comment was just a minor mistake , I just found it a funny(Yesterday, 10:23 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote:(Yesterday, 09:05 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Tintswalo giving us the background of the young Orpen Male. I did not know he could be the last of the Koppies pride, basically one of those cubs that last female took off with, after that big fight with the Mbiri Pride. I always thought he was one of the cubs from the Skorro Pride. Ah, ok, gotcha. Totally understood, and you'd be correct, lodges have certainly made their share of mistakes. I will let others opine on this, as nothing I am saying is for certain, but it wasn't until after he mentioned the Koppies Pride, did I begin to think about it. It would definitely align, in my opinion, timewise.
Young male is from Mbiri pride, Mandevu is his uncle or older brother (idk which female give birth to him) and he was growing up with him since he was cub. Tintswalos didnt kill him and sister despite knowing they where not theirs.
Not sure how they messed this up, as they are following him since he was born in early 2021. I guess rangers/guides changed there lately. (Today, 01:46 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Young male is from Mbiri pride, Mandevu is his uncle or older brother (idk which female give birth to him) and he was growing up with him since he was cub. Tintswalos didnt kill him and sister despite knowing they where not theirs. Thank you, my friend, for clarifying! Wasn't he being referred to as the "Skorro Orpen Male" for some time, or was that the Skorro male in SS? If the SS male, I had thought for the longest time that all of the Skorro cubs to the Orpens were killed when Hercules and Sumatra took over the pride.
Yeah since junior and buddy died the tintswalo males returned to the mbiri pride around that time orpen cubs where born and the young males didn’t kill the cubs potentially because they where still subadult males rejoining their pride
(Today, 02:19 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Thank you, my friend, for clarifying! Wasn't he being referred to as the "Skorro Orpen Male" for some time, or was that the Skorro male in SS? If the SS male, I had thought for the longest time that all of the Skorro cubs to the Orpens were killed when Hercules and Sumatra took over the pride. Skorro Orpen (born early 2018) who was/is in Sabi Sands is Orpen males son from Skorro pride. 1 Skorro female formed a breakaway when Hercules/Sumatra and later Mbiris came, with 2 sub males and couple of sub females. Younger sub male dissapeared later, only 1 left. This young male should be called Mbiri Orpen, so we dont confuse. |
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