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Where are the other photos? I see a kitten and antelope. I don't see predation.
I highly doubt that is anything other than an Adult Leopardess,
Seeing a Leopard and a full grown Blue Bull which is the Largest Asian Antelope, in a defensive posture definitely means there was some sort of aggressive action between the two of them, we tend to not only use this thread as successful hunts but also attempts or just aggressive interactions between predator and prey, even though I doubt any sized Leopard would have much of a hope against an adult Blue Bull but I've heard of Leopards having successful attempts on Kudus, so who knows for sure.
You said that wolf kill adult bison. Why do you doubt that leopard can kill 200 kg antelope? I understand why you think that hyena stronger than a leopard.
The lone Wolf predation on the Bison is extremely rare for one and there are a few factors there that should be understood.
1 is that the Wolf most likely gave up it's life taking on the Bison, you can see in the video that the Wolf is gored many times, covered in its own blood and most likely cannot survives the injuries on its own. The Bison isn't the largest of its kind either, so that obviously plays a role. It takes place in deep snow which will favor the more agile animal with better endurance as well. Lastly is that
I tend to think that Canines and Pack animals are more persistent than a solitary hunter, that is also a lone Wolf so it could very well be desperate. We all know too well that a desperate animal is usually more dangerous and also less concerned about ones own well being.
You see this in Bears that are unable to gorge enough to Hibernate, they are usually the ones to give Tigers hard times while Bears who are healthy tend to give a wide berth.
2 is that I've seen both, Big Blue Bulls are large animals, compared to Leopards they significantly outsize them, even when you watch a Lion or Tiger prey on them, it's usually via Hamstring and I don't think a Leopard has the power to hold a Blue Bull in place while it feeds, but they certainly can cause an injury to the Nigali and break a leg or something a long those lines then it could dispatch it as the animal pleases. Like I side, there are accounts of Leopards killing Kudu which are huge, I again doubt a Leopard could kill a Bull Kudu but who knows, nature has no such rules set in place.
3 is that I never said a Hyena is stronger than a Leopard, I simple disagree with your VS mentality, there is no cut and draw superiority to one another, I've seen huge Tom Leopards that I think would dominate 99% of the Hyena I've seen but I cannot say 100% because I have seen a few very large Hyena that would certainly put up a great fight and both obviously have a relationship based on respect and hatred which comes from a instinctual place for good reason.
You were in Africa or you saw on the internet? I know that the Internet and reality are different. E.g. Large strong dogs are often killed and eaten by wolves.
Internet propaganda says that big dogs are wolf killers.
The internet obviously has some fanatical people and unfounded claims but pages like Londolozi or Latest Sightings Kruger or T.O.CI. or C.L.A.W. or many others you find on FB are fantastic outlets for wildlife encounters. They by far offer the best information you can come across, it's not just one person out there to push one animal being better or worse, they post photos with 1st hand accounts and you can't beat that.
You were a tourist in these countries. You forgot about africa geographic. I don't trust Londolozi and Latest Sightings Kruger, africa geographic, national geographic.
I don't like them
I don't watch them
I don't read them
Where are the other photos? I see a kitten and antelope. I don't see predation.
I highly doubt that is anything other than an Adult Leopardess,
Seeing a Leopard and a full grown Blue Bull which is the Largest Asian Antelope, in a defensive posture definitely means there was some sort of aggressive action between the two of them, we tend to not only use this thread as successful hunts but also attempts or just aggressive interactions between predator and prey, even though I doubt any sized Leopard would have much of a hope against an adult Blue Bull but I've heard of Leopards having successful attempts on Kudus, so who knows for sure.
You said that wolf kill adult bison. Why do you doubt that leopard can kill 200 kg antelope? I understand why you think that hyena stronger than a leopard.
The lone Wolf predation on the Bison is extremely rare for one and there are a few factors there that should be understood.
1 is that the Wolf most likely gave up it's life taking on the Bison, you can see in the video that the Wolf is gored many times, covered in its own blood and most likely cannot survives the injuries on its own. The Bison isn't the largest of its kind either, so that obviously plays a role. It takes place in deep snow which will favor the more agile animal with better endurance as well. Lastly is that
I tend to think that Canines and Pack animals are more persistent than a solitary hunter, that is also a lone Wolf so it could very well be desperate. We all know too well that a desperate animal is usually more dangerous and also less concerned about ones own well being.
You see this in Bears that are unable to gorge enough to Hibernate, they are usually the ones to give Tigers hard times while Bears who are healthy tend to give a wide berth.
2 is that I've seen both, Big Blue Bulls are large animals, compared to Leopards they significantly outsize them, even when you watch a Lion or Tiger prey on them, it's usually via Hamstring and I don't think a Leopard has the power to hold a Blue Bull in place while it feeds, but they certainly can cause an injury to the Nigali and break a leg or something a long those lines then it could dispatch it as the animal pleases. Like I side, there are accounts of Leopards killing Kudu which are huge, I again doubt a Leopard could kill a Bull Kudu but who knows, nature has no such rules set in place.
3 is that I never said a Hyena is stronger than a Leopard, I simple disagree with your VS mentality, there is no cut and draw superiority to one another, I've seen huge Tom Leopards that I think would dominate 99% of the Hyena I've seen but I cannot say 100% because I have seen a few very large Hyena that would certainly put up a great fight and both obviously have a relationship based on respect and hatred which comes from a instinctual place for good reason.
You were in Africa or you saw on the internet? I know that the Internet and reality are different. E.g. Large strong dogs are often killed and eaten by wolves.
Internet propaganda says that big dogs are wolf killers.
The internet obviously has some fanatical people and unfounded claims but pages like Londolozi or Latest Sightings Kruger or T.O.CI. or C.L.A.W. or many others you find on FB are fantastic outlets for wildlife encounters. They by far offer the best information you can come across, it's not just one person out there to push one animal being better or worse, they post photos with 1st hand accounts and you can't beat that.
You were a tourist in these countries. You forgot about africa geographic. I don't trust Londolozi and Latest Sightings Kruger, africa geographic, national geographic.
I don't like them
I don't watch them
I don't read them
I can only give them
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Of course, everyone is a tourist in the Jungle or Serengeti outside of Villagers and the Masai.
In regards to your skepticism, I still don't know why you have it.
The sites I've mentioned are all based off of first hand experience with photos or videos to go a long with them.
09-06-2018, 05:54 AM( This post was last modified: 09-06-2018, 05:58 AM by Rishi )
(09-05-2018, 11:44 PM)AlexE Wrote: You were in Africa or you saw on the internet? I know that the Internet and reality are different. E.g. Large strong dogs are often killed and eaten by wolves.
Internet propaganda says that big dogs are wolf killers.
Internet propaganda and reality are not the same.
And wolves (wild large strong dogs) are often killed by domestic large strong dogs specifically bred for that.
Yes, internet has a lot of false & biased stories, but you can't call everybody liars without proof.
@AlexE is banned for two weeks for ignoring warnings.
leopard with gaur calf kill,bandipur national park.
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"I had heard about this leopard with a gaur calf kill 3 days prior to making this image. The leopard was unable to carry the kill atop the tree because of its size. The kill lay vertically beneath the tree but no one saw it till the leopard got down from the tree and dragged the kill to other side of the game track. Inspite of multiple days of feeding the kill was still massive in size relative to the leopard. It was an amazing natural history sight!" http://www.conservationindia.org/gallery/leopard-with-gaur-calf-kill-bandipur
No, the dog beat a hasty retreat and actually outran the Leopard fairly easily.
There's a video available somewhere if you search for it, I'm sure you can track it down.
When domesticated animals cross over to a newly demarcated forest. Both animals sizing each other up and not fully understanding the situation. #ClawctbAdapt#NotforContest
On a lovely lazy afternoon as we were aimlessly wandering around a silent forest, we chanced upon a cow that must have strayed into the forest. It was near a dried pond and we simply waited around as it was some leopards territory. We were not too hopeful. Our driver pointed us towards the trees saying he could see a leopard that was looking at us. We could see no such thing. Then he saw its tail move, we again saw nothing. And then the leopard moved in the bushes and finally we saw him. We thought the leopard was looking at us, but he was focused on the cow and we were positioned between both of them so we moved back. All of us in the gypsy were 100% sure that the leopard would not attack the cow but we moved back to see what the leopard intended doing. It disappeared for a while and we left the place to see if he had gone to any nearby. waterhole. There were calls in the forest denoting the movement of leopard, but we saw nothing, and so came back to the original place. The cow had barely moved. We parked our gypsy at a safe distance and kept watch. Within 5 minutes the leopard had geared up and attacked the cow. The cow managed to shoo him off, bewildered, but what an amazing moment it was!!
Incredible hunting skills of the leopard. Credits to Ikuka Safari Camp.
Reaction of baboons was also interesting. First scared naturally, then checking obviously, that what the leopard got. And when noticing, that not one of them.... "blaah, nothing to see here, what were we doing?". In the way funny when knowing, that if that would have been a baboon there would have been a living hell broken loose :)
(10-17-2018, 06:36 AM)ShereKhan Wrote: Amazing just how fast the whole thing happens. Stalk, pounce, kill, done.
Hard to say how long it was to kill, of course done in that way, that leopard got a good grip. But it takes time to choke to death. It is quite rare to see a quick kill in wildlife, unless some artery is cut.
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