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08-15-2018, 08:07 PM( This post was last modified: 08-15-2018, 08:09 PM by Rishi )
(08-15-2018, 02:58 PM)Shir Babr Wrote:
(08-14-2018, 08:47 PM)AlexE Wrote: young leopards
I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the buffalo video because the description states it, but on the other three videos, what makes you claim those are young leopards? Just curious.
It's pretty obvious...
For first video read description. Also the leopards are clearly inexperienced & probably siblings who's recently seperated from their mother.
Second leopards was smaller than the labrador.
Last one is a captive-born subadult Persian leopard getting hunting lessons in Russia, to be released in the Caucasus.
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08-15-2018, 08:46 PM( This post was last modified: 08-15-2018, 08:52 PM by Shir Babr )
(08-15-2018, 08:07 PM)Rishi Wrote:
(08-15-2018, 02:58 PM)Shir Babr Wrote:
(08-14-2018, 08:47 PM)AlexE Wrote: young leopards
I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the buffalo video because the description states it, but on the other three videos, what makes you claim those are young leopards? Just curious.
It's pretty obvious...
For first video read description. Also the leopards are clearly inexperienced & probably siblings who's recently seperated from their mother.
Second leopards was smaller than the labrador.
Last one is a captive-born subadult Persian leopard getting hunting lessons in Russia, to be released in the Caucasus.
I read the description of the first video, but since for the thumbnail they used a computer image of a warthog and the picture of the "leopard" behind is actually a jaguar, it made me doubt their expertise, moreover watch this close up of the video:
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Definitely not the face of a young leopard I think, it even has battle scars in face and ears.
About the one attacking the dog, adults can be as small as 17 kg; the variation of size in the species is notable even in the same populations.
About the third thanks for the info Rishi. I translated the description and this is what it said: "The Asiatic leopard in front of the wild boar - Caucasian Biosphere Reserve"
And btw, the buffalo video says it was a mock attack, but it looks like a serious attempt broken by the running buffalo on the left of the one targeted. Great footage.
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Other carnivores are also fair game to leopards. While lions may invest a great deal of energy in killing fellow predators, their motivation seems more to eliminate competition than to acquire food, and they frequently leave such kills untouched. Leopards, however, have been recorded killing and eating everything from dwarf mongooses to adult spotted hyaenas.
Leopard dragging sub-adult hyena carcase up a tree
Where are the other photos? I see a kitten and antelope. I don't see predation.
I highly doubt that is anything other than an Adult Leopardess,
Seeing a Leopard and a full grown Blue Bull which is the Largest Asian Antelope, in a defensive posture definitely means there was some sort of aggressive action between the two of them, we tend to not only use this thread as successful hunts but also attempts or just aggressive interactions between predator and prey, even though I doubt any sized Leopard would have much of a hope against an adult Blue Bull but I've heard of Leopards having successful attempts on Kudus, so who knows for sure.
Where are the other photos? I see a kitten and antelope. I don't see predation.
I highly doubt that is anything other than an Adult Leopardess,
Seeing a Leopard and a full grown Blue Bull which is the Largest Asian Antelope, in a defensive posture definitely means there was some sort of aggressive action between the two of them, we tend to not only use this thread as successful hunts but also attempts or just aggressive interactions between predator and prey, even though I doubt any sized Leopard would have much of a hope against an adult Blue Bull but I've heard of Leopards having successful attempts on Kudus, so who knows for sure.
You said that wolf kill adult bison. Why do you doubt that leopard can kill 200 kg antelope? I understand why you think that hyena stronger than a leopard.
Where are the other photos? I see a kitten and antelope. I don't see predation.
I highly doubt that is anything other than an Adult Leopardess,
Seeing a Leopard and a full grown Blue Bull which is the Largest Asian Antelope, in a defensive posture definitely means there was some sort of aggressive action between the two of them, we tend to not only use this thread as successful hunts but also attempts or just aggressive interactions between predator and prey, even though I doubt any sized Leopard would have much of a hope against an adult Blue Bull but I've heard of Leopards having successful attempts on Kudus, so who knows for sure.
You said that wolf kill adult bison. Why do you doubt that leopard can kill 200 kg antelope? I understand why you think that hyena stronger than a leopard.
The lone Wolf predation on the Bison is extremely rare for one and there are a few factors there that should be understood.
1 is that the Wolf most likely gave up it's life taking on the Bison, you can see in the video that the Wolf is gored many times, covered in its own blood and most likely cannot survives the injuries on its own. The Bison isn't the largest of its kind either, so that obviously plays a role. It takes place in deep snow which will favor the more agile animal with better endurance as well. Lastly is that
I tend to think that Canines and Pack animals are more persistent than a solitary hunter, that is also a lone Wolf so it could very well be desperate. We all know too well that a desperate animal is usually more dangerous and also less concerned about ones own well being.
You see this in Bears that are unable to gorge enough to Hibernate, they are usually the ones to give Tigers hard times while Bears who are healthy tend to give a wide berth.
2 is that I've seen both, Big Blue Bulls are large animals, compared to Leopards they significantly outsize them, even when you watch a Lion or Tiger prey on them, it's usually via Hamstring and I don't think a Leopard has the power to hold a Blue Bull in place while it feeds, but they certainly can cause an injury to the Nigali and break a leg or something a long those lines then it could dispatch it as the animal pleases. Like I side, there are accounts of Leopards killing Kudu which are huge, I again doubt a Leopard could kill a Bull Kudu but who knows, nature has no such rules set in place.
3 is that I never said a Hyena is stronger than a Leopard, I simple disagree with your VS mentality, there is no cut and draw superiority to one another, I've seen huge Tom Leopards that I think would dominate 99% of the Hyena I've seen but I cannot say 100% because I have seen a few very large Hyena that would certainly put up a great fight and both obviously have a relationship based on respect and hatred which comes from a instinctual place for good reason.
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Where are the other photos? I see a kitten and antelope. I don't see predation.
I highly doubt that is anything other than an Adult Leopardess,
Seeing a Leopard and a full grown Blue Bull which is the Largest Asian Antelope, in a defensive posture definitely means there was some sort of aggressive action between the two of them, we tend to not only use this thread as successful hunts but also attempts or just aggressive interactions between predator and prey, even though I doubt any sized Leopard would have much of a hope against an adult Blue Bull but I've heard of Leopards having successful attempts on Kudus, so who knows for sure.
You said that wolf kill adult bison. Why do you doubt that leopard can kill 200 kg antelope? I understand why you think that hyena stronger than a leopard.
The lone Wolf predation on the Bison is extremely rare for one and there are a few factors there that should be understood.
1 is that the Wolf most likely gave up it's life taking on the Bison, you can see in the video that the Wolf is gored many times, covered in its own blood and most likely cannot survives the injuries on its own. The Bison isn't the largest of its kind either, so that obviously plays a role. It takes place in deep snow which will favor the more agile animal with better endurance as well. Lastly is that
I tend to think that Canines and Pack animals are more persistent than a solitary hunter, that is also a lone Wolf so it could very well be desperate. We all know too well that a desperate animal is usually more dangerous and also less concerned about ones own well being.
You see this in Bears that are unable to gorge enough to Hibernate, they are usually the ones to give Tigers hard times while Bears who are healthy tend to give a wide berth.
2 is that I've seen both, Big Blue Bulls are large animals, compared to Leopards they significantly outsize them, even when you watch a Lion or Tiger prey on them, it's usually via Hamstring and I don't think a Leopard has the power to hold a Blue Bull in place while it feeds, but they certainly can cause an injury to the Nigali and break a leg or something a long those lines then it could dispatch it as the animal pleases. Like I side, there are accounts of Leopards killing Kudu which are huge, I again doubt a Leopard could kill a Bull Kudu but who knows, nature has no such rules set in place.
3 is that I never said a Hyena is stronger than a Leopard, I simple disagree with your VS mentality, there is no cut and draw superiority to one another, I've seen huge Tom Leopards that I think would dominate 99% of the Hyena I've seen but I cannot say 100% because I have seen a few very large Hyena that would certainly put up a great fight and both obviously have a relationship based on respect and hatred which comes from a instinctual place for good reason.
You were in Africa or you saw on the internet? I know that the Internet and reality are different. E.g. Large strong dogs are often killed and eaten by wolves.
Internet propaganda says that big dogs are wolf killers.
Where are the other photos? I see a kitten and antelope. I don't see predation.
I highly doubt that is anything other than an Adult Leopardess,
Seeing a Leopard and a full grown Blue Bull which is the Largest Asian Antelope, in a defensive posture definitely means there was some sort of aggressive action between the two of them, we tend to not only use this thread as successful hunts but also attempts or just aggressive interactions between predator and prey, even though I doubt any sized Leopard would have much of a hope against an adult Blue Bull but I've heard of Leopards having successful attempts on Kudus, so who knows for sure.
You said that wolf kill adult bison. Why do you doubt that leopard can kill 200 kg antelope? I understand why you think that hyena stronger than a leopard.
The lone Wolf predation on the Bison is extremely rare for one and there are a few factors there that should be understood.
1 is that the Wolf most likely gave up it's life taking on the Bison, you can see in the video that the Wolf is gored many times, covered in its own blood and most likely cannot survives the injuries on its own. The Bison isn't the largest of its kind either, so that obviously plays a role. It takes place in deep snow which will favor the more agile animal with better endurance as well. Lastly is that
I tend to think that Canines and Pack animals are more persistent than a solitary hunter, that is also a lone Wolf so it could very well be desperate. We all know too well that a desperate animal is usually more dangerous and also less concerned about ones own well being.
You see this in Bears that are unable to gorge enough to Hibernate, they are usually the ones to give Tigers hard times while Bears who are healthy tend to give a wide berth.
2 is that I've seen both, Big Blue Bulls are large animals, compared to Leopards they significantly outsize them, even when you watch a Lion or Tiger prey on them, it's usually via Hamstring and I don't think a Leopard has the power to hold a Blue Bull in place while it feeds, but they certainly can cause an injury to the Nigali and break a leg or something a long those lines then it could dispatch it as the animal pleases. Like I side, there are accounts of Leopards killing Kudu which are huge, I again doubt a Leopard could kill a Bull Kudu but who knows, nature has no such rules set in place.
3 is that I never said a Hyena is stronger than a Leopard, I simple disagree with your VS mentality, there is no cut and draw superiority to one another, I've seen huge Tom Leopards that I think would dominate 99% of the Hyena I've seen but I cannot say 100% because I have seen a few very large Hyena that would certainly put up a great fight and both obviously have a relationship based on respect and hatred which comes from a instinctual place for good reason.
You were in Africa or you saw on the internet? I know that the Internet and reality are different. E.g. Large strong dogs are often killed and eaten by wolves.
Internet propaganda says that big dogs are wolf killers.
The internet obviously has some fanatical people and unfounded claims but pages like Londolozi or Latest Sightings Kruger or T.O.CI. or C.L.A.W. or many others you find on FB are fantastic outlets for wildlife encounters. They by far offer the best information you can come across, it's not just one person out there to push one animal being better or worse, they post photos with 1st hand accounts and you can't beat that.
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