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 (08-22-2014, 06:25 AM)'chaos' Wrote:(08-21-2014, 10:30 PM)'tigerluver' Wrote: What's the exact source of the 250 kg Private Nature Reserve specimen? Never heard of that one. Nice to see you showing your true self. Once again, there is only 1 pockets. 2ndly, That lion was 100% estimated. Hence the numerous emails confirming it and specifically stated it was estimated. (08-22-2014, 07:21 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote:Quote: Why only show this email Pantherinae? Why not show all of them? No worries, Ill post it for all to see. Here are the others that state the truth http://www.google.com/search?q=250kg+lio...B467%3B246 and the credintiels of the girl who is pictured with it and cared to it http://www.google.com/search?q=250kg+lio...B467%3B246 Here is a 30 plus page debating this nonsense http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/top..._oikSgSo20 This lion would never be used because it is obviously estimated. And it has nothing to do with L vs T, it has to do with accuracy. I have no problem with the 240kg (estimated) lion, its accurate and proven. This one is proven not to be accurate. That is fact. 
Not going to lie, I trolled Boldchamp hard with this lion but in all honesty. the weight was real from my inquiries as well.
Ok, if you are stating it was weighed then I will take you at your word.
What is the info on christine then? Did she actually write the emails? If she did then I will have to disagree on this. But if they are forged, I will agree that it was weighed and verified.  (08-24-2014, 10:48 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Ok, if you are stating it was weighed then I will take you at your word. It simply breaks down to what you WANT to believe. (08-24-2014, 10:33 PM)'Pckts' Wrote:(08-22-2014, 06:25 AM)'chaos' Wrote:(08-21-2014, 10:30 PM)'tigerluver' Wrote: What's the exact source of the 250 kg Private Nature Reserve specimen? Never heard of that one. It was also 100% weighed, hence the numerous emails confiming it was weighed. Still detect obvious bitterness in your replies to me. You really need to put it to rest. Fair enough? (08-24-2014, 10:38 PM)'Pckts' Wrote:Note the emphasis on the phrase "WAS weighed". "Was" is capitalized and underlined. Leaving little to the imagination.(08-22-2014, 07:21 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote:Quote: I'll leave this for doubters like yourself to ponder.  (08-24-2014, 10:48 PM)Pckts Wrote: Ok, if you are stating it was weighed then I will take you at your word. ...I remember that discussion on AVA...all I could do was to laugh. Because both sides - tiger fanatics and lion fanatics spent enormous amount of time in absurd discussions in order to prove whether some lion was/was not weighted... It seems that the lion was weighted. And even if not - what does it mean? Ok he would be not exactly 250/253 kg, but perhaps some kgs less or more...why is it so important?
It was a rather heated topic, but yes I do agree, its not that important.
A crying shame this big cat may have been shot and killed.  (08-25-2014, 04:35 PM)'Amnon242' Wrote: ...I remember that discussion on AVA...all I could do was to laugh. Because both sides - tiger fanatics and lion fanatics spent enormous amount of time in absurd discussions in order to prove whether some lion was/was not weighted...In fact, the problem was not the 250/253 estimation, it was the 280 kg figure, THAT was the problem. However, like I stated before, the estimation could be, in fact, between 247-253 kg, if we take in count the fact that male lions gorge themselves up to 33 kg or more (Schaller, 1972). However, the round number of 250 kg is simple a good guess, as even the figure of 280 kg could be wrong, depending of the scale used. From my part, the figure of 250 kg should stand, what we need now are body measurements. I remember the case of the lions in the Crater, where the team itself stated that the scale used was old and inaccurate. Same happen with other tigers in India, for example the +200 kg male from Pench, which simply bottomed the scale of 200 kg used. They don't even bother themselves in buy a new or larger scale, or simple they don't have the money, which is also a reality in those areas. These cases are sad because scientists lost the opportunity to get invaluable data from this animals. Other thing, it is tragic to know that this amazing male was killed. I did not know it until now.  (08-25-2014, 04:35 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: ...I remember that discussion on AVA...all I could do was to laugh. Because both sides - tiger fanatics and lion fanatics spent enormous amount of time in absurd discussions in order to prove whether some lion was/was not weighted...Can't say better than this. 
1. The email response when I contacted Timbavati headquarters about this lion back in August 2012 was that when it was weighed the figure was 281 kg, suggesting that it's a precise figure and not an estimate.
2. They said that the lion had eaten recently and that on an empty stomach he was around 253kg. I agree that this is a bit too precise (i.e too good) to be 100% accurate but considering that it was a vet that made the estimate I trusted his opinion. Keep in mind that this lion could have been 255kg or even 260kg because he most likely would have digested a portion of that previous meal. 3. There's no reason to suspect that the scale used was inaccurate. After all, a vet would make sure the equipment is functioning properly and for all we know it could well have been a digital scale.
This was why it was so heated
 *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author As you can see, no scale is present and the women pictured is the one who said that he was estimated. I don't care either way at this point, but if the email is real and the images are as well, I would believe it to be estimated. Also the fact that scales don't weigh past 200 kg usually and 250kg seem to be the max, its weight would have to been estimated, At least noted. Since this would be the largest verified Lion weighed, I would like real clarification before figuring it. If copters has more info on the email from christine, I'm sure that would clarify it more. |
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