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Pckts · 02-13-2015, 12:35 AM

I wish we could see Katezari next to Gabbar.
I'm going to find the best images of Gabbar vs Saturn and Katezari vs Saturn and lets compare. Once I have a free minute I will post it here

Pckts · 02-13-2015, 03:39 AM

Alright, this is the best I can do

Katezari vs Saturn
Saturn on the Left, Katezari on the Right

*This image is copyright of its original author

Compared to here
Gabbar is on the Left, Saturn on the Right

*This image is copyright of its original author

So a couple of things I notice
-Gabbar vs Saturn is from 13' and he has put on quite a bit of mass since then
-Katezari is definitely the bulkier of the 3
-I'm not sure if its the angle since when they are walking side by side seems to be close, but the 2nd picture of Katezari seems to show a higher back than Saturn, Saturns back seems to slope more
-Shoulder height of all 3 seem close but I think Katezari is the longest of them all.
-Gabbar and Saturn are very close in dimension but I think Gabbar is definitely the better built of the two of them.

My impression,
Katezari is longer and more robust than either with similar shoulder height.
Let me know what you guys think?

Roflcopters · 02-13-2015, 03:24 PM

I agree, In my opinion. Katezari was a tad bit taller than Saturn and Saturn is just literally scraping off Gabbar, in terms of phsique. Gabbar is definitely better built than Saturn, Katezari seems to be better than both. Now I wish we knew how Shivaji compared to these guys. I asked Amit Suchak questions regarding the biggest males he saw in tadoba and his answer was clear that Wagdoh male is the biggest male he's seen. I asked a couple others, Katezari and Shivaji were the 2nd pick of heavy males.. so I guess most of us have it right for the Big 2 but the others and how they rank.. It's just pure speculation at this point.

Apollo · 02-13-2015, 03:48 PM

Katezari vs Saturn

Between Katezari and Saturn, they look very similar in shoulder height. But Katezari seems to be longer than Saturn. IMO Katezari>Saturn in size.

Saturn vs Gabbar

Between Saturn and Gabbar, Saturn is both taller and much longer than Gabbar. Gabbar is short and compact. IMO Saturn>Gabbar in size.

So Katezari>Saturn>Gabbar

Rajbehra subadult male from Bandhavgarh. He is known for charging at vehicles.
A very well built young boy. Taken in Dec 31 2014.

Pckts · 02-13-2015, 10:13 PM

Nice looking young fellow there.
What is his age and ancestory, if you know?

Roflcopters · 02-14-2015, 07:19 AM

I feel like these fights could have turned out different if Gabbar wasn't radio-collared, for some odd reason. his behaviour changed, he looks thinner and less confident around people. Hence why he's not photographed as often anymore. I am all for conservation but i think they nailed the coffin shut with the radio-collaring of Gabbar and Choti Tara.. I mean I could understand if they radio-collared tigers outside of the tourism zone but this was clearly a mistake. Who said professionals don't make errors, this right here is one clear example.. Also a very dumb move to radio-collar a mother of two young cubs.. I don't know what they were thinking, really. makes me wonder..[img]images/smilies/angry.gif[/img] Long Live Gabbar

Apollo · 02-15-2015, 03:09 AM

(02-13-2015, 10:13 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Nice looking young fellow there.
What is his age and ancestory, if you know?

Rajbehra subadult male was born in April 2012.
He is the son of Rajbehra female and Bamera male.

Late Giant Bokha

Late Giant Madla

Apollo · 02-16-2015, 01:08 AM

Nice video of Bamera in mating mood

Pckts · 02-17-2015, 04:42 AM

^Wow, she is a nice looking girl. She is very large in her own right. Bamera looks really big when they have their skirmish, he is a big tiger, thats for sure.

Apollo · 02-19-2015, 03:09 AM

In the hindu epic Mahabhartha there was a character called Bheema, he was famous for his strong physical appearance and ability. It was not possible to knock him down in a battle. So the mahouts of kanha named this tiger bhim or bheema, the son of Kankatta. Recently he was in a territory fight as he is extending his area!

Rage2277 · 02-21-2015, 10:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAJlxge44XA katezri and Gabbar-LP interaction

Apollo · 02-24-2015, 02:27 AM

(02-21-2015, 10:31 AM)'Rage2277' Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAJlxge44XA katezri and Gabbar-LP interaction

Thanks for the video.
Its really nice to see the interaction between Katezari and Gabbar.
Katezari comes to a waterhole first, but after seeing Gabbar he started moving away in the water by giving Gabbar the space.
Gabbar got into the water and started relaxing.
This interaction shows that Gabbar is the more dominant male of the two.
Katezari moved in a slower pace, Gabbar seemed relaxed and both the males had a watchful eye on each other. This shows there is a degree of respect between both the males (eventhough Gabbar looked dominant).
It would have been great if the cameraman had caught both the males in the same shot or moved the camera continously to show both the male's presence in a single shot.

TFS

Pckts · 02-24-2015, 11:31 PM

(02-24-2015, 02:27 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:31 AM)'Rage2277' Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAJlxge44XA katezri and Gabbar-LP interaction

Thanks for the video.
Its really nice to see the interaction between Katezari and Gabbar.
Katezari comes to a waterhole first, but after seeing Gabbar he started moving away in the water by giving Gabbar the space.
Gabbar got into the water and started relaxing.
This interaction shows that Gabbar is the more dominant male of the two.
Katezari moved in a slower pace, Gabbar seemed relaxed and both the males had a watchful eye on each other. This shows there is a degree of respect between both the males (eventhough Gabbar looked dominant).
It would have been great if the cameraman had caught both the males in the same shot or moved the camera continously to show both the male's presence in a single shot.

TFS

How do we know what happened?
You never see both tigers in the same shot, it could be one of katezari swimming and a seperate one of Gabbar resting, etc.
You would need to see what the eye witness says about the occurance before we come to any conclusions about the incident. They could be from different days for all we know.

Apollo · 02-24-2015, 11:47 PM

(02-24-2015, 11:31 PM)'Pckts' Wrote:
(02-24-2015, 02:27 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:31 AM)'Rage2277' Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAJlxge44XA katezri and Gabbar-LP interaction

Thanks for the video.
Its really nice to see the interaction between Katezari and Gabbar.
Katezari comes to a waterhole first, but after seeing Gabbar he started moving away in the water by giving Gabbar the space.
Gabbar got into the water and started relaxing.
This interaction shows that Gabbar is the more dominant male of the two.
Katezari moved in a slower pace, Gabbar seemed relaxed and both the males had a watchful eye on each other. This shows there is a degree of respect between both the males (eventhough Gabbar looked dominant).
It would have been great if the cameraman had caught both the males in the same shot or moved the camera continously to show both the male's presence in a single shot.

TFS

How do we know what happened?
You never see both tigers in the same shot, it could be one of katezari swimming and a seperate one of Gabbar resting, etc.
You would need to see what the eye witness says about the occurance before we come to any conclusions about the incident. They could be from different days for all we know.

I too initially had the same thought, but after carefully seeing the video for several times, I found the lighting, shadow and the way the camera was shaking all to be similar. I also dont see why Katezari as to turn and see several times unless there was something.
Recently Katezari and Gabbar had a skirmish, so adding all together I came to this conclusion. But I did mention in my previous post that it would have been nice to see them in the same shot.

Pckts · 02-24-2015, 11:57 PM

(02-24-2015, 11:47 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:
(02-24-2015, 11:31 PM)'Pckts' Wrote:
(02-24-2015, 02:27 AM)'Apollo' Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 10:31 AM)'Rage2277' Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAJlxge44XA katezri and Gabbar-LP interaction

Thanks for the video.
Its really nice to see the interaction between Katezari and Gabbar.
Katezari comes to a waterhole first, but after seeing Gabbar he started moving away in the water by giving Gabbar the space.
Gabbar got into the water and started relaxing.
This interaction shows that Gabbar is the more dominant male of the two.
Katezari moved in a slower pace, Gabbar seemed relaxed and both the males had a watchful eye on each other. This shows there is a degree of respect between both the males (eventhough Gabbar looked dominant).
It would have been great if the cameraman had caught both the males in the same shot or moved the camera continously to show both the male's presence in a single shot.

TFS

How do we know what happened?
You never see both tigers in the same shot, it could be one of katezari swimming and a seperate one of Gabbar resting, etc.
You would need to see what the eye witness says about the occurance before we come to any conclusions about the incident. They could be from different days for all we know.

I too initially had the same thought, but after carefully seeing the video for several times, I found the lighting, shadow and the way the camera was shaking all to be similar. I also dont see why Katezari as to turn and see several times unless there was something.
Recently Katezari and Gabbar had a skirmish, so adding all together I came to this conclusion. But I did mention in my previous post that it would have been nice to see them in the same shot.

I know Gabbar and the new young male had a fight whichl gabbar took the worst of, I have not heard from anybody about a Gabbar vs Katezari Skirmish, that I have seen at least. Its far to inconclusive to try and determine if the "shadow" is in the same area. Also, Tigers are wild animals so they are always looking around their surroundings, at least from what I have seen. I will check out he Tadoba page, they will most likely have something on this if it occured, but usually when two males interact, many photographers are commenting and providing narration on it. I would think especially with these two famous boys, there will be much info if it did actually happen.

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