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Kambula/Ntsevu Pride

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(07-30-2024, 03:38 AM)Cath2020 Wrote:
(07-30-2024, 02:03 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: As far as I know I’m 50/50 on him being healthy I remember he and hairy belly arrived in the western sabi sands not in good health and I think hairy belly was worse than ginger and that’s what the othawa cubs are gingers

No, he wasn't that healthy, else Ginger would not have succumbed to mange.  As is well-known, mange strikes the old and very young, whose immune systems are compromised.  Subs can get mange, too, if they are extremely stressed, undernourished, and fighting for every morsel of food.
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I mean the 2 Kambula females aren't that old for lionesses, they are what, 11? That's nothing. They aren't struggling with anything, they're a territorial pride with dominant males and nobody pressuring them, they should be healthy and beat mange if all you need to beat it is being a healthy adult lion.

Younger Kambula cubs beat it as well ( though now it is affecting the older cubs iirc? ) so the cubs might make it as well.
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(07-30-2024, 08:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: I mean the 2 Kambula females aren't that old for lionesses, they are what, 11? That's nothing. They aren't struggling with anything, they're a territorial pride with dominant males and nobody pressuring them, they should be healthy and beat mange if all you need to beat it is being a healthy adult lion.

Younger Kambula cubs beat it as well ( though now it is affecting the older cubs iirc? ) so the cubs might make it as well.

Exactly, some of the Kambula cubs had mange a while ago and are fine now. It's a shame it's the dry season though, they could do with some rain.
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Londolozi Blog The Week in Pictures #600

K2 and one of her Ntsevu cubs.


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K2 and all four cubs.


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All three Ntsevu lionesses on the hunt.


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A Kambula lioness.


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Mala Mala Game Report July 2024

THE KAMBULA PRIDE = 18
1 ADULT FEMALE ± 11 YEARS 1 MONTH
4 ADULT FEMALES ± 6 YEARS 0 MONTHS
9 CUBS 1 YEAR 7 MONTHS
1 CUB 1 YEAR 5 MONTHS
3 CUBS 1 YEARS 0 MONTHS
MALAMALA, FLOCKFIELD, NORTHERN CHARLESTON
(19 sightings)

Sightings of the Kambula pride were consistent in July, many of which were of feeding and hunting
behaviour, owing to the increased pressure on the lionesses to feed their large family.

Noteworthy sightings:
• On the 1st, two of the youngest cubs were found at Confluence Crossing, while the rest of the
pride were trailing a herd of buffalo north of Styx Rocks.
• The next day, they were all found feeding on small remains of a buffalo calf east of Confluence
Crossing, where they were joined by the Ndhzenga males later that morning.
• On the 7th, they were east of Matshapiri Open Area Crossing and were north of West Street
Bridge the next day.
• Only three cubs were found in this area on the 9th, but they were back with the pride near the
Parking Bay the next day.
• They were at Emsagwen Crossing on the 11th and were south of Styx Crossing on the 12th.
• On the 13th, they were in the Sand River at Old Dudley Crossing.
• Two days later, they were midway along the Charleston Flockfield Boundary feeding on a
giraffe calf, and the next day, they were at Charleston North Crossing.
• On the 17th, they were joined by the two Ndhzenga males at Styx Crossing.
• They killed an impala on the 24th, east of the Sand River and north of the Ngoboswan Donga,
and were on Dudley Lookout two days later.
• On the 27th, they were found at Confluence Crossing but moved north and killed a nyala in the
Ngoboswan Donga.

THE NTSEVU PRIDE = 11
2 ADULT FEMALES 11 YEARS 4 MONTHS
1 ADULT FEMALE ± 11 YEARS 1 MONTH
3 CUBS 0 YEARS 8 MONTHS
4 CUBS ± 2 MONTHS
MARTHLY, EYREFIELD, MALAMALA
(44 sightings)

The members of the Ntsevu pride were seen on numerous occasions this month, with majority of the
sightings being on Marthly, as the lioness with the youngest cubs has been keeping them in different
den sites in this region.

Noteworthy sightings:
• On the 1st, two females and the older cubs were at Piccadilly Triangle, while the third lioness
was with the larger Ndhzenga male at the Airstrip.
• The next day, the four new cubs as well as the three older cubs were seen at the new den site
west of Bicycle Crossing and one lioness was at Piccadilly Pans.
• The next day the young cubs were joined at the den site by their mother and the older cubs
were in the Manyeleti River, north of the Sand River.
• On the 4th, the new mother moved her young cubs back to the den site in the Mlowathi River,
south of Lower Mlowathi Crossing and the rest of the pride were east of Campbell Koppies.
• The next day, the bulk of the pride were feeding on a kudu kill south of Campbell Koppies.
• Three lionesses were joined by the two Ndhzenga males west of Bicycle Crossing on the 6th,
while the older cubs were at Piccadilly Triangle and the younger cubs were at the den site.
• On the 10th, two lionesses crossed south over the Sand River at Elephant Rock Lookout to join
the Ndhzenga males, while the other lioness and all seven cubs moved back to their den site
to the west of Bicycle Crossing.
• The three lionesses killed a kudu bull at Matumi Rocks on the 13th and the three older cubs
were collected shortly afterwards and brought to the feast. Later that afternoon, the four
youngest cubs were seen at this position as well.
• Members of this pride were seen in the same area every day, until the 19th, when two of the
lionesses were near Stwise.
• For the next three days, all 10 members were west of Elephant Rock Lookout with very small
remains of a kudu kill, while a young male leopard was in a tree with a leg of the kill nearby.
• On the 24th, only the three lionesses were at Kigelia Crossing, but all members of the pride
were seen in this area two days later.
• On the 28th, all seven pride members were in the Sand River in front of MalaMala Camp, but
they moved back into Marthly the next day.
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Ntsevu lioness. Credits to Chris Taylor.


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( This post was last modified: 08-11-2024, 10:41 PM by criollo2mil )

K2, Ntsevu lioness after the wrong end of a hunt gone badly


She is the mother of the 4 new cubs.  

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(08-11-2024, 09:00 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: K2, Ntsevu lioness after the wrong end of a hunt gone badly

Ohh, thats nasty.
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(08-11-2024, 09:00 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: K2, Ntsevu lioness after the wrong end of a hunt gone badly


She is the mother of the 4 new cubs.  


In line with the recent conversation on human intervention, I doubt there are many who would disagree, that at times like this it would be nice for some veterinary intervention in Sabi Sands.
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(08-11-2024, 10:01 PM)BA0701 Wrote:
(08-11-2024, 09:00 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: K2, Ntsevu lioness after the wrong end of a hunt gone badly


She is the mother of the 4 new cubs.  


In line with the recent conversation on human intervention, I doubt there are many who would disagree, that at times like this it would be nice for some veterinary intervention in Sabi Sands.

It's a very hard subject.  I have generally stood on the side of leaving things be.  I am very glad that the Mara has done a GREAT deal of assistance with NaShapai and her cubs because Cheetah are in such dire straits.  But some intervention here is not necessarily changing the balance of the ecosystem.  She has 4 cubs, and if anything, the over-population of Hyena is a much greater threat to Sabi than one Lioness and her 4 cubs.
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Its harsh and hard to see. But it is nature.

If she had won and the footage was of some poor zebra or something being killed, we wouldnt have this discussion. Sometimes, its the prey that wins.
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Looks like its only teared skin, painful, but prob not life threatning, barring infection.
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(08-11-2024, 11:30 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Its harsh and hard to see. But it is nature.

If she had won and the footage was of some poor zebra or something being killed, we wouldnt have this discussion. Sometimes, its the prey that wins.

The huge difference is lions are going into extinction, no arguments from me, just personal belief
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(08-11-2024, 09:00 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: K2, Ntsevu lioness after the wrong end of a hunt gone badly


She is the mother of the 4 new cubs.  


the muscle seems intact wich makes me wonder how did this happend, a warthog tusk maybe? anyway this one really hits home, more so due to the 4 little ones, this is probably to big of an injury to keep it from getting infected uhh if only she was in Kenya...
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The population of lions in Sabi Sands seems quite healthy and we have to keep in mind that various species that are routinely killed by lions are struggling as well.  
We might as well put them all in zoos if we really go that road.

It seems like something torn off the skin. So I think a horn got in and ripped a large portion of it off as the animal tried to free itself. You can see roughly the outline of its likely path torn in the flesh below.
The wound seems rather low which would suggest a warthog, but for all we know it was a huge buffalo that was already on the ground. Ultimately without footage all we can do is speculate though.

The good news is that we are not seeing mayor traces of blood. So its already been there for a bit and she had time to clean the wound and remove any traces of blood. She is also moving pretty well things considered.
But without blood flow keeping filth out and forming a crust. Infections are going to become a concern.

This is really going down to her immune system. Her best options right now is introducing her cubs to the pride right now and ride it out there. But sadly, if they are to young, she may be forced to abandon them.
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