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Kambula males sometime ago when they were still at SabiSabi on the Elephant carcass "We were following up on tracks of the 4 Khumbula break away male lions when we came across a recently deceased elephant and to our surprise the stomach was already open. Next to the carcass laid 3 of the 4 males panting heavily showing they had found the carcass the previous night and had already gorged themselves to the point of being uncomfortable. It looks like the elephant dies of other causes and was not killed by these males but they won't give up the opportunity to feast on the carcass that is already covered in maggots and flies."
K3
Seems to be K2 based on the location and his snipped tail,
and this seems to the DM Pretoriuskop Male.
Just added this here for the sake of seeing it here and when for rereading this thread as this is also posted in Sabi Sands thread.
Kambula Males, K12, Styx Male
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Throwback Thursday to an action packed morning!
After seeing the K12 female alone for a few days, we knew it was only a matter of time before she and the Styx male would be reunited. This was, unfortunately, a short-lived reunion.
We found these two lions trailing a herd of buffalo in the morning, seemingly unaware that the four Kambula breakaways were trailing the same herd. It did not take long for the Kambula brothers to pick up that there was another male in their midst, and without hesitation, two of the Kambula males promptly got up and chased off the Styx male before vocalising, ensuring their presence was known.
Unimpressed by this, and the fact that her brother started to come too close, the K12 female made her feelings known before heading off in the opposite direction, the four males hot on her heels!
The seperation of the well bonded Styx Male and Kambula female was only for a few days, and they have recently been seen trailing another herd of buffalo together.
So only 2 Kambula gave chase to Styx, according to the report.
Vid shows K6 and K3 giving chase. Then K5 going after the sister ( at the time there was a photo of them together).
K4 never tried anything, probably too weak and traumatized.
While all Kambulas are very slow in terms of displaying territorial behavior, K5 looks to be the most "hopeless" of them, I don't think I've ever seen him mating or giving chase to anybody.
Let's see if K4 can regain his mane and mass back despite the limp and bad eye, otherwise it'll be up to K6 and K3 to try to be territorial one day, and even with prime K4 they never could, so doing it now doesn't feel realistic.
(Yesterday, 04:48 AM)Mapokser Wrote: So only 2 Kambula gave chase to Styx, according to the report.
Vid shows K6 and K3 giving chase. Then K5 going after the sister ( at the time there was a photo of them together).
K4 never tried anything, probably too weak and traumatized.
While all Kambulas are very slow in terms of displaying territorial behavior, K5 looks to be the most "hopeless" of them, I don't think I've ever seen him mating or giving chase to anybody.
Let's see if K4 can regain his mane and mass back despite the limp and bad eye, otherwise it'll be up to K6 and K3 to try to be territorial one day, and even with prime K4 they never could, so doing it now doesn't feel realistic.
I think he mated with the lone Talamati lioness, if my memory serves me right. He was also the first one to attack SBDM at a time when his brother abandoned him. He also fought Red Road male 1v1; he lost, but he tried. I wouldn't underestimate him, but he is a different type of lion, that's for sure.
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(Yesterday, 04:48 AM)Mapokser Wrote: So only 2 Kambula gave chase to Styx, according to the report.
Vid shows K6 and K3 giving chase. Then K5 going after the sister ( at the time there was a photo of them together).
K4 never tried anything, probably too weak and traumatized.
While all Kambulas are very slow in terms of displaying territorial behavior, K5 looks to be the most "hopeless" of them, I don't think I've ever seen him mating or giving chase to anybody.
Let's see if K4 can regain his mane and mass back despite the limp and bad eye, otherwise it'll be up to K6 and K3 to try to be territorial one day, and even with prime K4 they never could, so doing it now doesn't feel realistic.
I have a have a good hope that K4 is getting back to the right track as when they have come back North he is the one that stayed and tried to mate with the NK female (Amber 2) while his brother separated with them and K4 with the Styx Male chase got maybe he got left behind because of his limp.
Also an update from Cedric of WildEarth this morning SafariLive:
-4 Kambula Males at Simbambili
(Yesterday, 04:48 AM)Mapokser Wrote: So only 2 Kambula gave chase to Styx, according to the report.
Vid shows K6 and K3 giving chase. Then K5 going after the sister ( at the time there was a photo of them together).
K4 never tried anything, probably too weak and traumatized.
While all Kambulas are very slow in terms of displaying territorial behavior, K5 looks to be the most "hopeless" of them, I don't think I've ever seen him mating or giving chase to anybody.
Let's see if K4 can regain his mane and mass back despite the limp and bad eye, otherwise it'll be up to K6 and K3 to try to be territorial one day, and even with prime K4 they never could, so doing it now doesn't feel realistic.
While K4 certainly has a limp and has lost a bit of mane, and hasn't been his former self, I wouldn't describe him as 'weak and traumatised'. Initially after the fight/attack, absolutely, and he most likely does struggle a bit to keep up with his brothers, but he seems to have recovered for the most part.
Plus, according to Dr. Peter Levine (an American biophysicist), wild animals don't hold onto trauma the way humans do. They're very good at releasing it all soon after the 'traumatising' event, otherwise how would they survive in the wild? How would an impala survive if it became traumatised after every near miss by a leopard or lion? He's got some books and has talked about it on some podcasts, interesting stuff.
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(Yesterday, 04:48 AM)Mapokser Wrote: While all Kambulas are very slow in terms of displaying territorial behavior, K5 looks to be the most "hopeless" of them, I don't think I've ever seen him mating or giving chase to anybody.
He was involved in numerous fights and chases, in fact, he was in most fights out of all his brothers.
Just last year he was in atleast 4 fights where his back/legs got mauled (unknown injuries at the beginning of 2024, PCMs fight, RRM fight, unknown injuries in Londolozi).
He just kinda lacks "drive" for females, he looks more "nomadic" than his bros, from what we seen.
Maybe those maulings are problem, just as he recovers and gains confidence, he again gets mauled and needs to start over again, but that again is more problem of their group, with lack of teamplay.
(Yesterday, 04:48 AM)Mapokser Wrote: While all Kambulas are very slow in terms of displaying territorial behavior, K5 looks to be the most "hopeless" of them, I don't think I've ever seen him mating or giving chase to anybody.
He was involved in numerous fights and chases, in fact, he was in most fights out of all his brothers.
Just last year he was in atleast 4 fights where his back/legs got mauled (unknown injuries at the beginning of 2024, PCMs fight, RRM fight, unknown injuries in Londolozi).
He just kinda lacks "drive" for females, he looks more "nomadic" than his bros, from what we seen.
Maybe those maulings are problem, just as he recovers and gains confidence, he again gets mauled and needs to start over again, but that again is more problem of their group, with lack of teamplay.
Personally, I believe every beating that any of the K4s has suffered, was a needless one. The lack of team play, that you mentioned, is the reason any of them has suffered at all. If they were a tight knit group, and supported each other in the way one would expect of brothers who have been together their entire lives, I do not believe that any of those beatings happens.
(Yesterday, 04:48 AM)Mapokser Wrote: While all Kambulas are very slow in terms of displaying territorial behavior, K5 looks to be the most "hopeless" of them, I don't think I've ever seen him mating or giving chase to anybody.
He was involved in numerous fights and chases, in fact, he was in most fights out of all his brothers.
Just last year he was in atleast 4 fights where his back/legs got mauled (unknown injuries at the beginning of 2024, PCMs fight, RRM fight, unknown injuries in Londolozi).
He just kinda lacks "drive" for females, he looks more "nomadic" than his bros, from what we seen.
Maybe those maulings are problem, just as he recovers and gains confidence, he again gets mauled and needs to start over again, but that again is more problem of their group, with lack of teamplay.
Personally, I believe every beating that any of the K4s has suffered, was a needless one. The lack of team play, that you mentioned, is the reason any of them has suffered at all. If they were a tight knit group, and supported each other in the way one would expect of brothers who have been together their entire lives, I do not believe that any of those beatings happens
And the one time (that we know of) that a 2nd Kambula brother joined a fight where his brother was taking a beating, his brother attacked the wrong lion.
(Yesterday, 04:48 AM)Mapokser Wrote: While all Kambulas are very slow in terms of displaying territorial behavior, K5 looks to be the most "hopeless" of them, I don't think I've ever seen him mating or giving chase to anybody.
He was involved in numerous fights and chases, in fact, he was in most fights out of all his brothers.
Just last year he was in atleast 4 fights where his back/legs got mauled (unknown injuries at the beginning of 2024, PCMs fight, RRM fight, unknown injuries in Londolozi).
He just kinda lacks "drive" for females, he looks more "nomadic" than his bros, from what we seen.
Maybe those maulings are problem, just as he recovers and gains confidence, he again gets mauled and needs to start over again, but that again is more problem of their group, with lack of teamplay.
Personally, I believe every beating that any of the K4s has suffered, was a needless one. The lack of team play, that you mentioned, is the reason any of them has suffered at all. If they were a tight knit group, and supported each other in the way one would expect of brothers who have been together their entire lives, I do not believe that any of those beatings happens
And the one time (that we know of) that a 2nd Kambula brother joined a fight where his brother was taking a beating, his brother attacked the wrong lion.
Poor K5 had a really rough run, during that time, and that mauling by K4 may well have damaged his tail permanently.
(Yesterday, 04:48 AM)Mapokser Wrote: So only 2 Kambula gave chase to Styx, according to the report.
Vid shows K6 and K3 giving chase. Then K5 going after the sister ( at the time there was a photo of them together).
K4 never tried anything, probably too weak and traumatized.
While all Kambulas are very slow in terms of displaying territorial behavior, K5 looks to be the most "hopeless" of them, I don't think I've ever seen him mating or giving chase to anybody.
Let's see if K4 can regain his mane and mass back despite the limp and bad eye, otherwise it'll be up to K6 and K3 to try to be territorial one day, and even with prime K4 they never could, so doing it now doesn't feel realistic.
I think he mated with the lone Talamati lioness, if my memory serves me right. He was also the first one to attack SBDM at a time when his brother abandoned him. He also fought Red Road male 1v1; he lost, but he tried. I wouldn't underestimate him, but he is a different type of lion, that's for sure.
I think I remember now, him being reported perhaps mating with Nkuhuma females when K4 was trying to be dominant there, but there was no footage of any mating.
He fought Red Road, but rather than him charging to face RR, it'd be better to phrase it as Red Road caught him, and he had no other choice but to defend himself.
Was this sighting with S.BDM the same with those other young males, Torchwood or Imbali? I can't remember which of the 2, but if they were Imbali, it's funny how Imbalis were seen as almost subadults trying to feed with Kambulas and now are dominant with cubs already. Similar to Nkuhuma males, seen as subadults in the pride the Kambulas were trying to take over, now they have 2 prides and cubs while being only a duo, while Kambula are still nomadic.
Anyway, my point is that all other 3, although very slow in terms of their development and drive towards wanting to be territorial, have shown interest in it from time to time, only K5 hasn't and he will be 7yo in little over a few months.
