Impressive Wild Jaguars - Pictures and Videos

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(04-24-2020, 05:43 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-24-2020, 08:06 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(04-24-2020, 06:33 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-24-2020, 05:33 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(04-24-2020, 05:28 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-24-2020, 05:17 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(04-24-2020, 03:52 AM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: @Pckts

Here I use the computer all the time, for me cellphone is not as good the screen is too tiny and on the computer I am more comfortable.

I found a website to copy the image locations I will post bellow, hope it works. Thank you for the tip anyways.

Yeah I remember when you told me Paulo stated Brawlin is larger than Adriano and I saw your posts on how impressive Hunter female is too but she gets overshadowed by the giants from the north haha, I wouldn't be surprised if Hero is above 130kg he has an impressive frame too bad he is aging already these dudes gotta be weighed before its too late. But this Brawlin male I am very curious to know his size if Paulo said he is that big he got to be weighed before its too late, theres also the male with the Scythe on the forehead he is very large too I'd guess he is above 120kg any day of the week  and some from the south I am curios to see the size is Colombiano, the brothers Oreia and Grandão, Joker and other males from that area, we actually want all of them to be measured haha. There's one male that I really wanted to know his size was Xavier male, too bad he ventured north.

These current jaguars in terms of size would make a far heavier table compared to those from the tables I posted from 2000-2009.

What do you think about Mick in size? I don't find him that large but his head compared to the body is what impresses me the most just like Xavier male. they look so unique.

If you return to the Pantanal would you consider visiting the southern section on a safari with Onçafari project?





@OncaAtrox


These are the ''flowers'' I meant. 


here's how I identify them.


as you can see on Mick's right side you see the single spot with the rossetes around it and looking over it all at once it looks like a flower, it all happens cause of that single spot in the middle.

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Mick on left side here he got 2 flowers.

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Heres the Scythe I see on this large male forehead  

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Geoff male - note theres one single spot right in the middle as well which can also ''turn into flower'' for another clear identification.

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Xando male the way I see ( with an ''L'' on his forehead ) but other people see an ''U''.

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Hero male with a clear ''V'' on his forehead

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Hero male from the left , you see his spots in the middle is kinda unique there's 2.

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from the right its kinda unique too. ( that one lying is Hunter )

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Adriano as you can see his face is very unique with a ''/'' on the forehead, the patterns over his body and around his eye all the way to his forehead on both sides, his left eye is a bit smaller due to fights (today it looks even worse) and his front limbs is covered with a huge stripe it also occurs to his other front limb.

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Juru despite the flowers he got a ''flying bird'' shaped pattern on his forehead.

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Geoff vs Juru ( both got flowers on both sides )

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heres the Logo of Jaguar Identification project thats Patrícia female and on her forehead pattern as you can see it looks like a ''Bat''

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Another one with an ''L'' on forehead, there's a ''W'' right bellow.

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Medrosa female

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this one has a butterfly on its forehead with one spot on ''each wing''.

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This poor battled one looks so unique there's no need for noting differences his left ear is gone he is all battled scarred he is definitely a warrior, this jaguar is the proof that jaguars go all out when they really have to fight and they won't hold back at all.

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There are others too but from these ones I think you already have a clue on what I mean.

There's no limits to imagination.

I understand that tracking jaguars is expensive so I see why these organizations don't do it more often, but I wish they did, as you said big toms like Hero are now past their prime so they start losing muscle mass and overall weight, leaving us guessing how much it probably measured in its prime. Jaguars are incredibly understudied and we need new data on their measurements to supplement the Almeida collections we have. I'm also impatient for the Aurora jaguars to be weighed, my estimations are that males such as Pajarote, Tote (past his prime and probably deceased), Faculto and Librao are above or close to be 120 kg.

You must understand that measuring and weighing these cats does nothing for them in terms of conservation. 
Even radio collaring them doesn't really serve a purpose in terms of conservation, it helps understand their movement patterns but it's fairly simple, corridors need to be maintained so new Gene's can come and go. Some would argue that radio collaring and capturing does more harm than good with the deaths and poaching attached to them.

In terms of capturing, Panthera still has a few captures available in the north, they only get licensed to capture so many cats. But for whatever reason they haven't captured many lately.

Taking their measurements are key aspects of understanding their biology and you can't deny that compared to leopards or lions they are much less tracked and our information on their sizes is scarce. I'm sure these biologists want to track them just as much but as I said that takes resources from them so I don't blame them if they don't see the urgency. Still, I'm holding my hopes we'll get more weights and measurements in the future to increase our data.

But what good does understanding their biology do for conserving them?
Human curiosity makes us want to know as much as possible and its gotten us this far but it's also lead to the destruction of most of the natural world and extinction of many animals. Of course a biologist or zoologist will want to research these animals, it's their lifes purpose but do these animals need to be researched to survive?

That's not the point, all research is not supposed to be done entirely to find ways to preserve the species, sometimes biologists just want to collect data, more data allows us to understand them better and is more conclusive than guessing their biology/morphology. Plus there's no harm in actually tracking their measurements, the whole reason forums like this exist is to discuss those findings and debate them.

There are many forums, much of which dont care about sizes or vs outcomes 

And there is actual harm in measuring them. Big cats have died in the capture process *anesthesia overdose* as well as becoming human aggressive afterwards and man killers.

Also, I received word back from Paulo on Heros size, he said that Hero isn't close to one of the largest Jaguars in the North.

But in this forum we do, that's why we have e threads about these same measurements, and getting the data from biologists who will take as much care as possible of the animal is certainly more ethical than relying on hunting records of hundreds of massacred animals. I don't get what your point has been for this whole rant. Reply