(08-25-2014, 11:00 PM)Pckts Wrote: Indeed, Jaguar are the most unknown of the big 4 IMO.
This thread must of originally been about big cats outside of lions and tigers, thats why the images of leopards and cougars are here.
Sorry for any misunderstandings.

(08-31-2014, 05:17 PM)'Amnon242' Wrote:

(08-25-2014, 11:00 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Indeed, Jaguar are the most unknown of the big 4 IMO.
This thread must of originally been about big cats outside of lions and tigers, thats why the images of leopards and cougars are here.
Sorry for any misunderstandings.

 

I don´t want to start any "vs" debate, but I´d say that jaguar would be able to repell the attack of tiger or lion...not to win, but to defend himself.

 

(08-31-2014, 05:17 PM)'Amnon242' Wrote:

(08-25-2014, 11:00 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Indeed, Jaguar are the most unknown of the big 4 IMO.
This thread must of originally been about big cats outside of lions and tigers, thats why the images of leopards and cougars are here.
Sorry for any misunderstandings.

 

I don´t want to start any "vs" debate, but I´d say that jaguar would be able to repell the attack of tiger or lion...not to win, but to defend himself.

 

(09-01-2014, 06:07 AM)Apollo Wrote:

(08-31-2014, 05:17 PM)'Amnon242' Wrote:

(08-25-2014, 11:00 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Indeed, Jaguar are the most unknown of the big 4 IMO.
This thread must of originally been about big cats outside of lions and tigers, thats why the images of leopards and cougars are here.
Sorry for any misunderstandings.

 

I don´t want to start any "vs" debate, but I´d say that jaguar would be able to repell the attack of tiger or lion...not to win, but to defend himself.

 

You got to be joking
Tiger vs Jaguar = Dead Jaguar

*This image is copyright of its original author

 

(09-01-2014, 06:33 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: @Apollo 

not nessecaeraly true, neiather in strength or size does a jaguar stand a chance against a male lion/tiger, and he would stand no chance in a fight to death, but that he could have sucseded defending himself there's no doubt about! A leopard killing a tigress, male leopards surviveing attacks from several Lions, a large jaguar male almost twize The weight of an Indian male leopard, would walk out of a fight with a male lion/tiger alive more often then not IMO, but only by defending not by fighting! 

 

(09-01-2014, 01:50 PM)Apollo Wrote:

(09-01-2014, 06:33 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: @Apollo 

not nessecaeraly true, neiather in strength or size does a jaguar stand a chance against a male lion/tiger, and he would stand no chance in a fight to death, but that he could have sucseded defending himself there's no doubt about! A leopard killing a tigress, male leopards surviveing attacks from several Lions, a large jaguar male almost twize The weight of an Indian male leopard, would walk out of a fight with a male lion/tiger alive more often then not IMO, but only by defending not by fighting! 

 

At first that tigress was a cub, comparing a young subadult tigress with adult male leopard doesnt make sense. We also dont know the status of that cub before that incident. Why the subadult was out on her own without her mother's protection in the first place. Most importantly youngsters will lack the skills, courage and experience when facing an opponent. There are many subadult males (tigers and lions) being dominated by adult females eventhough the males are much bigger.

Regarding the 4 lionesses and the male leopard and 3 lionesses vs leopard, if those lionesses really wanted to kill those leopards, they could have done it in seconds. But they were not totally into killing. 

These kind of incidents are unusually rare events and not the norm, its like saying that one warthog stood against a lioness and thus warthogs can defend against lions and a female cheetah stood her ground against an adult male lion, wildebeest stood against lions etc etc.

The norm is these animals will be killed plain and simple. And no jaguar can walkout of a fight against male tiger or male lion. In general if there is a fight the jaguar will either be killed by the male tiger/male lion or will just run for its life and try to hide or climb a tree. This is not defending or repelling, its just running for its life. Even cheetahs, leopards and some small cats will do this.


 

(09-01-2014, 06:07 AM)Apollo Wrote:

(08-31-2014, 05:17 PM)'Amnon242' Wrote:

(08-25-2014, 11:00 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Indeed, Jaguar are the most unknown of the big 4 IMO.
This thread must of originally been about big cats outside of lions and tigers, thats why the images of leopards and cougars are here.
Sorry for any misunderstandings.

 

I don´t want to start any "vs" debate, but I´d say that jaguar would be able to repell the attack of tiger or lion...not to win, but to defend himself.

 

You got to be joking
Tiger vs Jaguar = Dead Jaguar

*This image is copyright of its original author

 

(09-01-2014, 06:35 PM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: @Apollo 

the tigress killed by The leopard was 4 years...she was indipendent and had left her mother. 

Yeah that's what I'm saying if they fight Often The jaguar will sucseded defending himself. Like The leopard against those lionesses yes they could have killed The leopard easy, but they never did because The leopard fought very well and sucseded in Defending. Jaguars would probably also be able to do The same, with even greater strength and size. 

As You say Lions and tigers are superior amongst The cat's in strength and size,and would kill any other cat if they where going for it,but very rarely they do so, and Often cat's like leopards will be able to defend himself by laying on his back with all four paws. You can't compare a cheetah vs lion fight with a leopard vs lion fight... Cheetah would be killed 99% of The time

 

(09-01-2014, 07:22 PM)Apollo Wrote:

(09-01-2014, 06:35 PM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: @Apollo 

the tigress killed by The leopard was 4 years...she was indipendent and had left her mother. 

Yeah that's what I'm saying if they fight Often The jaguar will sucseded defending himself. Like The leopard against those lionesses yes they could have killed The leopard easy, but they never did because The leopard fought very well and sucseded in Defending. Jaguars would probably also be able to do The same, with even greater strength and size. 

As You say Lions and tigers are superior amongst The cat's in strength and size,and would kill any other cat if they where going for it,but very rarely they do so, and Often cat's like leopards will be able to defend himself by laying on his back with all four paws. You can't compare a cheetah vs lion fight with a leopard vs lion fight... Cheetah would be killed 99% of The time

 

That tigress was no way a 4 year old, It was way too small for that and it was just a cub ( a very young subadult). I clearly told you that you cannot use a subadult against an adult.
 
Again you are just using a single account and making a theory by yourself and ignoring all the rest of the accounts which says otherwise. Killing by male tigers/male lions of other cats is not a rare event, 99% of the times there will be a dead cat if it tries to defend or repell a male tiger/ male lion by facing it. Thats why leopards, cheetahs etc will run at the site of a male tiger/male lion without trying to defend or repel them, because they know they cant repell an attack from male tiger/male lion. Its just that simple.