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Pckts · 06-24-2014, 02:07 AM

Pckts · 06-24-2014, 02:50 AM

Here is probably the "mature tigers" area with a "king tiger" looking on

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Pckts · 06-24-2014, 02:51 AM

Here is the image of a lion and possibly a "king tiger" next store

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GrizzlyClaws · 06-24-2014, 03:06 AM

(06-24-2014, 02:00 AM)'Wanderfalke' Wrote:
(06-24-2014, 12:49 AM)'Pckts' Wrote: More Harbin Monsters in their summer coats

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First thing, that popped into my eyes: maaaaaassive skull from the tiger in the middle! Here you can clearly notice the difference between a lion and tiger skull. And yes, the forequarters are striking as well. TFS!

Yeah, his skull looks like at least twice as big as the adult female next to him.

The captive Amur tigers have been known for the massive skull, and larger than its wild counterpart.

GrizzlyClaws · 06-24-2014, 03:08 AM

(06-24-2014, 02:51 AM)'Pckts' Wrote: Here is the image of a lion and possibly a "king tiger" next store

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Those alpha males were known to be extremely dangerous for other big cats.

That's why their enclosure was separated from the rest.

Pckts · 06-24-2014, 03:14 AM

(06-24-2014, 03:08 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:
(06-24-2014, 02:51 AM)'Pckts' Wrote: Here is the image of a lion and possibly a "king tiger" next store

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Those alpha males were known to be extremely dangerous for other big cats.

That's why their enclosure was separated from the rest.

They were probably just to big and dangerous for the others.
Now there is a strict "No Photography" policy and security follows you constantly. Apparently tourism is down quite a bit there as well, and the parks really offer no education to the tourists. It seems that they only care of taking advantage of these cats, not saving them.
Sad to see.

As expected, they have had a few run-ins with keepers being injured or killed
"A bus full of tourists visiting a Siberian tiger breeding base in Harbin, China got a more impressive display of what the tigers are capable of than they had bargained for.

When their bus got stuck in the snow, their driver got up and went outside to check how bad the damage was - something that violated park safety rules. As he tried to enter his bus, one of the parks Siberian Tigers attacked him and dragged him into the forest, as the bus passengers watched in horror.

When park officials arrived at the scene, the set off firecrackers to scare the tigers away, but by then it was too late - bus driver Jin Shijun was found dead in the woods.

The attack took place at the Dong Bei Hu Siberian Tiger park in Harbin, China. The park is home to over 1000 tigers, many of which were bred in captivity. Back in 2009, the park called in local police to kill two of its tigers when they pounced on a zoo worker.

Still, one can hardly blame the tigers for this incident - you'd expect most tiger park bus drivers to understand the dangers of the animals, and stay inside their bus when things go wrong."
http://www.gadling.com/2011/01/07/chines...us-driver/

tigerluver · 06-24-2014, 03:15 AM

Has any Harbin tiger been weighed? I'd think that they'd weigh the tiger at least before they add it to the bone graveyard found in the area. [img]images/smilies/angry.gif[/img]

GrizzlyClaws · 06-24-2014, 03:21 AM

(06-24-2014, 03:14 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:
(06-24-2014, 03:08 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:
(06-24-2014, 02:51 AM)'Pckts' Wrote: Here is the image of a lion and possibly a "king tiger" next store

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Those alpha males were known to be extremely dangerous for other big cats.

That's why their enclosure was separated from the rest.

They were probably just to big and dangerous for the others.
Now there is a strict "No Photography" policy and security follows you constantly. Apparently tourism is down quite a bit there as well, and the parks really offer no education to the tourists. It seems that they only care of taking advantage of these cats, not saving them.
Sad to see.

As expected, they have had a few run-ins with keepers being injured or killed
"A bus full of tourists visiting a Siberian tiger breeding base in Harbin, China got a more impressive display of what the tigers are capable of than they had bargained for.

When their bus got stuck in the snow, their driver got up and went outside to check how bad the damage was - something that violated park safety rules. As he tried to enter his bus, one of the parks Siberian Tigers attacked him and dragged him into the forest, as the bus passengers watched in horror.

When park officials arrived at the scene, the set off firecrackers to scare the tigers away, but by then it was too late - bus driver Jin Shijun was found dead in the woods.

The attack took place at the Dong Bei Hu Siberian Tiger park in Harbin, China. The park is home to over 1000 tigers, many of which were bred in captivity. Back in 2009, the park called in local police to kill two of its tigers when they pounced on a zoo worker.

Still, one can hardly blame the tigers for this incident - you'd expect most tiger park bus drivers to understand the dangers of the animals, and stay inside their bus when things go wrong."
http://www.gadling.com/2011/01/07/chines...us-driver/

Most alpha males are known to be unpredictable, some were even known to kill their mate during the mating intercourse.

Baikal is one of the few exceptions here with the mild temper, that's why they allow him to share the same enclosure with other smaller tigers.

GrizzlyClaws · 06-24-2014, 03:26 AM

(06-24-2014, 03:15 AM)'tigerluver' Wrote: Has any Harbin tiger been weighed? I'd think that they'd weigh the tiger at least before they add it to the bone graveyard found in the area. [img]images/smilies/angry.gif[/img]

Not much about the weight of the Harbin tigers, but they have weighed the skulls of their male tigers?

According to them, the male tiger skulls have an average weight of 5.5 - 6 pounds, that sounds quite heavy, maybe it is the skulls of the male Harbin tigers?

http://wenku.baidu.com/view/e608e9f27c1cfad6195fa7e0

Pckts · 06-24-2014, 03:26 AM

Some big circus siberians. Look at some of their shoulder heights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-N4v-Rer0A
Check out the one at 11 mins, for some height.

Huge female being fed in the very begining and large sub adult male as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3cB5miJXqU

Pckts · 06-24-2014, 03:39 AM

(06-24-2014, 03:26 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:
(06-24-2014, 03:15 AM)'tigerluver' Wrote: Has any Harbin tiger been weighed? I'd think that they'd weigh the tiger at least before they add it to the bone graveyard found in the area. [img]images/smilies/angry.gif[/img]

Not much about the weight of the Harbin tigers, but they have weighed the skulls of their male tigers?

According to them, the male tiger skulls have an average weight of 5.5 - 6 pounds, that sounds quite heavy, maybe it is the skulls of the male Harbin tigers?

http://wenku.baidu.com/view/e608e9f27c1cfad6195fa7e0

What are the heaviest skulls weighed?

Tigers have slightly heavier skulls than lions when similarly sized, correct?

GrizzlyClaws · 06-24-2014, 03:53 AM

(06-24-2014, 03:39 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:
(06-24-2014, 03:26 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:
(06-24-2014, 03:15 AM)'tigerluver' Wrote: Has any Harbin tiger been weighed? I'd think that they'd weigh the tiger at least before they add it to the bone graveyard found in the area. [img]images/smilies/angry.gif[/img]

Not much about the weight of the Harbin tigers, but they have weighed the skulls of their male tigers?

According to them, the male tiger skulls have an average weight of 5.5 - 6 pounds, that sounds quite heavy, maybe it is the skulls of the male Harbin tigers?

http://wenku.baidu.com/view/e608e9f27c1cfad6195fa7e0

What are the heaviest skulls weighed?

Tigers have slightly heavier skulls than lions when similarly sized, correct?

They didn't specify that, but only stated the average skull is between 5.5 to 6 pounds.

That's still quite heavy which leads me to believe this should be the average skull of the male tigers in there.

Pckts · 06-24-2014, 04:17 AM

(06-24-2014, 03:53 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:
(06-24-2014, 03:39 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:
(06-24-2014, 03:26 AM)'GrizzlyClaws' Wrote:
(06-24-2014, 03:15 AM)'tigerluver' Wrote: Has any Harbin tiger been weighed? I'd think that they'd weigh the tiger at least before they add it to the bone graveyard found in the area. http://wenku.baidu.com/view/e608e9f27c1cfad6195fa7e0

What are the heaviest skulls weighed?

Tigers have slightly heavier skulls than lions when similarly sized, correct?

They didn't specify that, but only stated the average skull is between 5.5 to 6 pounds.

That's still quite heavy which leads me to believe this should be the average skull of the male tigers in there.

Some old interesting research on skull weight on lions and tigers from King.
Bengal tigers from the evidence I've found, had heavier skulls then both Amurs and lions both at equal length, but absolute terms aswell. A typical lion skull and a bengal tiger skull are very similar in length, the largest skulls of lions belong to Panthera Leo Krugeri, Amurs come close rivalling Kruger lions in length with 370 mm vs 380 mm. East african and others are typically less with about 350 mm.

The tigers massive skull volume probably plays alot into its massive weight compared to the lion

Bengal tiger:
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Bengal tiger
Average skull length 353.1 mm (n=12); Average skull weight 2.135 kg. - [font]Rowland Ward (1913) + others

African lion:

[font]African lion (Typical)
Average skull length [/font][font]355.861 mm (n=18); Average skull weight [/font][font]1.767 kg. - Museum[/font]

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Panthera leo krugeri (Largest lions)
[font]Average skull length 373.546 mm (n=23); Average skull weight 1.9894 kg. Still lighter then the Bengals, despite being 2 cm longer.[/font][/font]

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[font][font]Amur tiger:

Not much on Amur tigers, but what does exist shows they are typically not as massive as Bengal tigers, despite being longer. This specimen below is less then the average (367 mm).

Amur tiger
Average skull length 359.45 mm (n=1); Average skull weight 1.769 kg.[/font][/font]

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[font][font]Conclusion: Bengal tigers have the heaviest skulls of any extant cat today.[/font][/font]

Sorry to get off topic, figured it was relevent to the topic ATM though.

Vinod · 06-24-2014, 11:37 AM

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They're not known as the longest venomous snake for nothin, this specimen was caught from someone's garden last Friday now released back to the wild.

Well an Indian King Cobra can get a lot bigger than this specimen here but this one's too big for your garden you know.[img]images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Apollo · 06-24-2014, 02:03 PM

Nice info on Harbin tigers and tiger skulls.

Credits to Eagleraptor
First two pics of a siberian tiger at 611 lbs (been weighed) man in both pics is 5'10".

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Next two pics of a siberian tiger 600 lbs been weighed.

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This is another tall siberian tiger weighed in at 500lbs

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