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 (06-30-2014, 10:24 PM)'Pckts' Wrote:(06-30-2014, 08:26 AM)'Roflcopters' Wrote: Panna was nowhere near notorious for Large Tigers prior to the Conservation efforts of Dr.Raghu Chundawat. Infact it was one of the mellow Tiger Reserves that people hardly visited and by the time Brokentooth and Madla were weighed, they were plenty of large males from different parts of Central India.. now we're talking 2000-2004 time frame and males like Sultan (Tadoba) B2 (Bandhavgarh) Bokha (Bandhavgarh) Jabbar (Tadoba) Konda (Kanha) Laxmi's male (Kanha) were all still alive and kicking.. each and every single one of them stood out from their respective habitats.. I have talked to a countless people from the time i started with my tiger business and from all the research.. I've found that Madla and Hairyfoot's potential stopped at prime Bamera.. Wagdoh and the new offset of males like Jay, Katezari, Shivaji & Jobhi etc might be on the same league as Hairyfoot/Madla guys but Wagdoh is clearly the god father among them all. Please tell me you're joking, I can't take this post serious at all. 
When it comes to Bamera, he is not your normal average tiger. Bamera is a very large dominant resident male.
I dont know where you get that statement not long and not tall. Ive seen prime Bamera in person and he is a tall specimen but he is not very long (this doesnt mean he is a short tiger) like Bokha or Jobhi. Yes Bamera is tall and not very long (you have to remember that even Waghdoh is also not a very long specimen) but very massively built animal. Prime Bamera is a muscle tank no hanging skin or fat, just full bulk muscle. Waghdoh is definitely bigger than Bamera, but Prime Bamera would have been no less than 550lbs. Ive seen a 550lbs tiger upclose (Ive seen him several times) and prime Bamera is definitely bigger than him. When it comes to Bandhavgarh, the biggest tiger during B2 period was Bokha. Bokha was a very long and massively built tiger. Currently the biggest tiger in Bandhavgarh is Jobhi (same very long and massively built).
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I feel tiger's are deceptively heavy. They're stocky and lack the mane to exaggerate their size, and thus weight is often underestimated. I'm guilty of this myself with tigers in a safari park in my area.
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hi, My estimate on bamera is 220-230 kg, its not that he isn't big, but heis not that big. I have also seen big heavy animals in captivity. And I work with a big lion who weigh 255 kg. And I saw a lion in Krüger who was actually quite bigger! But I doubt he weigh's more, probably less. When it comes to bamera is also that every one I talk to who has seen him and wagdoh says wagdoh is much bigger. I'm very causious when estimating weight's and I had always my mind on 240 Max for lion's and 260 Max for tigers, but I have seen the Kaziranga tigers and they seems to weigh more than 260, so I would have give them 280 kg without seeing one. Still more than the record wheight of a tiger at 268 kg. But these are only my estimates! So In my mind 250 kg, for bamera is to heavy! But only an opinion [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]  (07-01-2014, 05:24 AM)'Roflcopters' Wrote:(06-30-2014, 10:24 PM)'Pckts' Wrote:(06-30-2014, 08:26 AM)'Roflcopters' Wrote: Panna was nowhere near notorious for Large Tigers prior to the Conservation efforts of Dr.Raghu Chundawat. Infact it was one of the mellow Tiger Reserves that people hardly visited and by the time Brokentooth and Madla were weighed, they were plenty of large males from different parts of Central India.. now we're talking 2000-2004 time frame and males like Sultan (Tadoba) B2 (Bandhavgarh) Bokha (Bandhavgarh) Jabbar (Tadoba) Konda (Kanha) Laxmi's male (Kanha) were all still alive and kicking.. each and every single one of them stood out from their respective habitats.. I have talked to a countless people from the time i started with my tiger business and from all the research.. I've found that Madla and Hairyfoot's potential stopped at prime Bamera.. Wagdoh and the new offset of males like Jay, Katezari, Shivaji & Jobhi etc might be on the same league as Hairyfoot/Madla guys but Wagdoh is clearly the god father among them all. Thats what 2 eye witnesses said about him on this forum. Posted 5 different accounts about people saying Waghdoh is much largere than Bamera. So not exactly sure what you problem with the post would be. Please elaborate (07-01-2014, 09:51 AM)'Apollo' Wrote: When it comes to Bamera, he is not your normal average tiger. Bamera is a very large dominant resident male. I haven't heard from anybody that Waghdoh is not a long tiger. Everybody who has seen him says the same thing. Largest cat they have ever seen, massive etc... If we want to be realistic about bamera, then lets look at all the weights of wild tigers throughout history. There are few reliable weights that exceed 250kg, even older hunting records are usually in that range. So lets say bamera is in the top 20% of tiger size, he still is not near the size of Waghdoh, that is confirmed. Most likely Waghdoh is in the 280kg size range, maybe larger. I think that is a fair estimate, so bamera in the 220-230kg not that unlikely. 230kg is still a very large tiger.  *This image is copyright of its original author Looking at this, Chitwan and Panna have the largest measured Tigers outside of Assam which the weights I have seen seem to be pretty close to Chitwan. Assam did have the largest skulls though, out of all tigers. Yes, there are few specimens to choose from , but Madla was massive. If you guys think Bamera is the size of madla that would make Waghdoh in the 300-320kg range and that would probably mean that Kaziranga Tigers would be in the 320-340kg range. That doesn't seem very realistic to me, don't know about you guys.
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