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Finland Shadow Offline
( This post was last modified: 12-26-2019, 02:01 PM by Shadow )

(12-26-2019, 10:42 AM)John Opiyo Wrote: I like the rules. The challenge I expect is that nature lovers at times think more with their hearts and not the mind. I will give an example. In the conflict between big cats and livestock farmers, farmers will at times kill the big cats to protect their livestock. When this gets out, people will curse the farmers and call them names, serious insults. Their hearts are at work at this time. However, the mind should tell them a few things. First, they are thousands of miles away and could not do anything at that time to save the cats. Secondly, calling people names could stir them against the cats even more. Lastly, had these people mean to kill the cats, non could have been in existence today because they have kept livestock in the range lands for very many years. The light however is that, after an incidence like that, people can brainstorm on what to do to avert similar situations in future. In such a debate, I would expect a lot of heat but/and objectivity to win. Rules bring order and I will stick with the rules.

You are right in it, that it´s so easy to blame other people, especially when sitting in some "ivory tower" so, that him- herself has everything ok, seeing some big predator only in documentaries and maybe as a tourist while participating to some organized and safe trip with cameras and really nothing to worry about. Same time there are people, who need to work for their living with livestock and deal with dangers concerning tigers and lions.

One interesting part is, that with what justification people from Europe and let´s say North-America are complaining. Central-Europe... there aren´t too many predators left, where are the wolves and bears? And so many other animals... people who won´t tolerate big predators among themselves should have a moment and think if they really should be so loud to judge others, when they have massacred their own fauna to extinction concerning so many species. Noth America and USA especially have pushed for instance brown bears and wolves to way smaller range than before. Luckily for these species there is Alaska and of course big neighbor Canada. When looking at lower 48 it´s ruthless, livestock is there priority 1 also and big predators have been killed. Then we have sad story of bison... etc. 

These are interesting things, without Russia most probably Finland wouldn´t have nowadays bears and wolves, in past we hunted these species to almost extinction here. Nowadays things are better, but a lot of work to do still. Reindeer owners, if up to them, would shoot any bear, wolf and wolverine on sight, especially wolves and wolverines. A lot of hate and heated discussions happen here too (Finland), when these animals are discussed.

It´s challenging to find ways to live side by side with big predators, but hopefully good solutions can be found, while some individuals have to be killed sometimes in order to protect livestock and people. Finding certain kind of balance is difficult, but worth to try. Same thing as what comes to discussions here. I hope, that you like it here and can share your thoughts.
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Finland Shadow Offline
( This post was last modified: 02-26-2020, 11:47 PM by Shadow )

Lately in some occasions there have been a little bit things like "if this would be about a lion, then you would...." or "if this would be about a tiger, then you would....". It´s no secret, that people have preferences, that´s ok, there is nothing wrong in it. As long as it doesn´t lead to dismissing other animals in demeaning way or mocking others.

When in some thread there is criticism and/or debates, if your first idea is to start mocking or writing in a way I described above, take a deep breath, count to ten and think before writing. Don´t get offended like there would be some personal insult, when something you say is questioned. People simply can see things differently without nothing dramatic there.

Moderators will act if someone starts to disrespect some animal in wildfact. No matter if it´s a tiger, a lion or a horse. Or whatever. If not right away (not noticed it yet for some reason), you can report a posting which you think to be offending/insulting in a wrong kind of way. That´s much better than diving into some argument so that heartbeat rate is 200 times/minute.

Things have been ok for quite some time and looking good. So let´s keep it this way. When new members join in, remember that this isn´t a tiger forum, not a lion forum or a bear forum. All animals are respected and that is expected. And also taken care that it stay in that way. So you don´t need to be worried for your favorite animal here. Stay calm and focus to good information.
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( This post was last modified: 02-27-2020, 12:06 AM by peter )

Agreed in all respects.  

This is a forum about those who make their home in the natural world, not us. 

Preference is a great drive, provided you use it to find good information. 

And remember reality always beats fiction.
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