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Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts

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Snow leopard vs wolf pack Russian language

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In order to relive a mythic scene from a famous documentary "Eternal enemies".... And a little thought for the authors Dereck and Beverly Joubert




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Female leopard almost attacks or attacks hyena

 
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Leopard vs Striped Hyena
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Tadoba National Park... Today's fight between two wild animals

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You can definitely see that the Bear took the brunt of the attack but Matkasur realized that there was no easy meal to be had and decided to turn tail and not risk severe injury.
He may come back later to finish the job or wait and see or lick his wounds and turn his attention elsewhere, either way this is a great sighting and I can't wait to see more images to come.
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Unique photographs. The bear is less than half the weight of the male tiger, but made him think twice. There are more accounts of sloth bears intimidating tigers, but this is the first account of a sloth bear winning a fight with an adult male tiger. This although the tiger had a significant size advantage. Impressive.

I posted a few letters published in the JBNHS in which tigers and sloth bears featured. Billy Arjan Singh wrote about a fight between a tigress and a sloth bear and so did others. Although tigers won most fights, serious encounters seem to be few and far between. The photographs show why.

Himalayan black bears are larger than sloth bears. Corbett heard a fight between a tiger and a Himalayan black bear, both large males. Although the bear was scalped, he won the fight and took the cow. If we add the information about encounters between tigers and Himalayan black bears from the Maharajah of Nepal, the conclusion is that Himalayan black bears do not fear tigers. If anything, they seem dominant in most encounters.

In the bear department, Amur tigers are quite different from other subspecies. They hunt both Himalayan black bears and Ussuri brown bears up to the size of an adult female. Bears are an important source of food. In the southern part of Sichote-Alin, they almost top the list in summer. This although there are plenty of deer and wild pigs.

In the southeastern part of Russia, bears often visit tiger kills. When faced with bears, tigers can defend their kill or hunt again. Not seldom, fights erupt near kill sites. Tigers win most fights. As they eat what they kill, tigers learn to eat bears at a young age. The next step is hunting them. In Russia, therefore, tigers are more experienced regarding bears. They more or less have to in order to survive. In India, the situation is very different.
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incredible find @Pckts i would like to add what @peter said about the interaction between amur tigers and russian bears. In Russia, bears hibernate through cold, so tigers do tend to stalk these individuals out or a bear that has just come out of a den, also being a much prey-scarce region tigers should be more willing to try and eat whatever they can find. These may be the best two reasons for the bear killing instances we see in Russia. In India, tigers seeking out a sloth bear (esp. females ^i think that's what in the photo) is going for a potential food source while male sloths and Himalayan Black bears may be seen as a potential threat due to their size (they are still a bear and carnivore) and thus attacked. Bears on the other hand have much easy life in this part of the world, they dont hibernate, are in good health food is all year round can survive eating on vegetation, honey, carrion etc. so they dont' suffer as much as tigers being injured. Tiger definitely has more to lose in these confrontations, so giving up makes sense.
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FOOD HABITS AND PREY PREFERENCE OF AMUR TIGER AT THREE SITES IN THE RUSSIAN FAR EAST

This post has a few scans of an article published a few years ago. I got it from Ursus Arctos, who visited me in Amsterdam some years ago. Ursus now is a mod at Carnivora Forum.

I selected the most important pages. The table (last scan) shows that bears (Himalayan bears and brown bears) are an important food item in summer, especially in the south of Sichote-Alin (SABW). This " ... runs counter to previous assertions that the risk of injury was too high for tigers to regularly predate bears ... " (from the second scan). It's important to note that adult bears are included.

Tigers don't hunt bears because of a lack of other prey animals, but because they seem to prefer them over others. Tigers have learned to hunt bears in the Russian Far East, that is. In India, it is not a confirmed habit. The difference between Amur tigers and Indian tigers, therefore, is experience. Important, as Amur tigers, not as heavy as their relatives in India, are able to hunt larger bears. They also hunt them more often: 
 

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(03-01-2018, 03:00 PM)peter Wrote: FOOD HABITS AND PREY PREFERENCE OF AMUR TIGER AT THREE SITES IN THE RUSSIAN FAR EAST

This post has a few scans of an article published a few years ago. I got it from Ursus Arctos, who visited me in Amsterdam some years ago. Ursus now is a mod at Carnivora Forum.

I selected the most important pages. The table (last scan) shows that bears (Himalayan bears and brown bears) are an important food item in summer, especially in the south of Sichote-Alin (SABW). This " ... runs counter to previous assertions that the risk of injury was too high for tigers to regularly predate bears ... " (from the second scan). It's important to note that adult bears are included.

Tigers don't hunt bears because of a lack of other prey animals, but because they seem to prefer them over others. Tigers have learned to hunt bears in the Russian Far East, that is. In India, it is not a confirmed habit. The difference between Amur tigers and Indian tigers, therefore, is experience. Important, as Amur tigers, not as heavy as their relatives in India, are able to hunt larger bears. They also hunt them more often: 
 

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Interesting read, amur tigers seem to be a bear specialist given their low availability than deer and boars. The summer season is when the bears are just coming out of hibernations right? In this case the bears are not in prime weight and physic, probably the tiger must have been cunning enough to know this during their evolution in a shared habitat, though bears esp the brown bears should be tougher than other prey items for sure, this is much in contrast to South Asia where even smaller species of bears are known to hold their ground aggressively. The thing is that tigers and big cats might just be the apex hunter and if they are determined enough can predate on an array of mega herbivores or other big carnivores and really get super talented with each hunt. This might only be any logical explanation, and it's simply amazing
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Very Beautiful 
And Rear Sighting
Matkasur &Sloth Bear fight
28 Feb 2018
Tadoba
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My take...
This is a predation attempt by Matkasur, he easily dominates the bear and obtains a crucial bite but the Bear is tenacious and fights off every attempt with great dexterity, much like a cat, the bear is able to bring it's hind claws up to the Tigers face and rake which as we have seen is a very effective defense. Matkasur makes sure to get in bites around the neck/skull which I think will pay dividends in the long run, you can see as Matkasur tires, he begins to retreat but continues to stalk the bear, the bear tries to push Matkasur away but it seems as though Matkasur is going to follow this bear and assess the damage once the Bears adrenaline wears off. If I were to wager, I'd guess Matkasur would attempt another attack at night once he regains his strength and the bears injuries begin to wear heavy.
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(03-01-2018, 09:32 PM)Pckts Wrote: Very Beautiful 
And Rear Sighting
Matkasur &Sloth Bear fight
28 Feb 2018
Tadoba
Video By:-Anesh An Tadoba






My take...
This is a predation attempt by Matkasur, he easily dominates the bear and obtains a crucial bite but the Bear is tenacious and fights off every attempt with great dexterity, much like a cat, the bear is able to bring it's hind claws up to the Tigers face and rake which as we have seen is a very effective defense. Matkasur makes sure to get in bites around the neck/skull which I think will pay dividends in the long run, you can see as Matkasur tires, he begins to retreat but continues to stalk the bear, the bear tries to push Matkasur away but it seems as though Matkasur is going to follow this bear and assess the damage once the Bears adrenaline wears off. If I were to wager, I'd guess Matkasur would attempt another attack at night once he regains his strength and the bears injuries begin to wear heavy.

Good find and thanks for posting, PC.

As to the video. The tiger is lying over the bear, which is on its back and resisting. This means the bear has the opportunity to use his hind legs. A big risk, that is. Largely as a result of a significant size and weight advantage, the tiger restrained the bear for some time. The grip, however, had little effect. This means the tiger didn't get to a vital spot. Maybe he invested a lot of energy in mauling the skin of the bear. I also noticed the tiger didn't use his large fore-arms to get to a significant advantage, but to keep the bear down. Another advantage lost. When the struggling bear managed to use the claws of the hind legs, the tiger was severely scratched and forced to let go. Painful, but not unlucky as the bear could also have ripped his belly.

After the struggle, the bear, now on its hindlegs, tried to bluff the tiger. Again the neck was exposed. The tiger, more than once, repeated his initial mistake. Every time he tried, the bear got out more quickly than before. When out of options and wasted, the bear advanced once more. This time, the tiger decided to retreat. This although the bear, as a result of a lack of size and weapons, wasn't able to hurt, let alone kill, the tiger. All in all, I get to a poor performance at best.

As tigers are reluctant to abandon an attack, my guess is it was initiated by the tiger. He might give it another try, but my guess is the outcome could be similar if not worse. 

Amur tigers attack bears in another way. This is what Bart Schleyer saw in Russia (go to the paragraph in red):


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Only unusual moments in YouTube. ^ Tiger vs Bear 

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There is some additional footage in this video at beginning



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