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Cryptozoology, Ghosts, Aliens and other mysteries

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(06-07-2019, 06:58 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(06-07-2019, 06:04 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(06-07-2019, 02:26 PM)Shadow Wrote: Heh, this time bigfoot is some deer :) This article also shows good how "seriously" FBI has taken this myth... 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/us/fbi-bigfoot-file.html

But can you explain what that dark hairy thing, photographed at different angles on the edge of Intracoastal Waterway in the US State of Virginia by Randy O'Neal's father and his friend on the 28th of June 2014, is? Also, unlike for the video and story on the "baby Megalodon", this 'Bigfoot' story did make a lot of news around the time that it was released, be it in June (https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-ne...ms-3789645) or July that year (https://wtvr.com/2014/07/02/man-claims-b...ar-photos/, https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/...604514.phphttp://weekinweird.com/2014/07/01/fishin...-virginia/), not just in English news (https://www.hln.be/nieuws/buitenland/daa...gle.com%2F), and it's important to note that O'Neal didn't say that it was definitely Bigfoot, letting others judge it for what it was, and it's definitely not a deer or tree stump (how can tree stumps move around?), and that his dad had gone there due to a mysterious incident over there 25 years prior, in which O'Neal said that he saw "red eyes" staring at him from the darkness of the woods, before apparently managing to shoot it under his father's instructions, and then they heard it screech in pain as it tore through the woods and fell into water, which made a sound as if a car had fallen into the river, and then in the next morning, he and his dad were shocked to see saplings damaged as if they had been torn apart by a powerful, moving thing:


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As for this video which claims to 'debunk' the photos, it makes 2 mistakes: Capturing a moving object at different angles doesn't make it fake, and it wasn't Randy O'Neal that took the photos, so its claim to 'debunk' the photos is pointless: 




What is there to explain in some bad quality photos? Maybe Finnish formula 1 driver Kimi Räikkönen is there in gorilla suit once again Wink But when I see some photos, which can be basically anything, I don´t know what value those have, when we are talking about something, which can be found in old myths and fairy tales. I understand, that some people make money by maintaining old myths, so this kind of photos are no surprise. But if someone one day would have a good quality photo, then I would be more than surprised :) But to be honest, I believe to bigfoot just as much as I believe, that Peter Pan exists. So in this matter I don´t participate to any debate, I just don´t see any point in that. I am not interested about bigfoot in that way, that I would believe to it, I don´t as I said. But I have been interested about it in that way, that how some myths born and spread among people.

For good quality images, either somebody would have to get closer to one, or camera-trap one in case it prefers to avoid humans:

Image 1, bear cubs, no doubt about it: http://www.bfro.net/avevid/jacobs/jacobs_photos.asp

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Image 2 taken about 30 minutes later, a creature that resembles an ape more than a bear: 

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Image 3, taken over half a minute after Image 2, same as above, even in the words of experts who spent time with bears and primates, it looks more like a primate scanning the ground than even a mangy bear scanning the ground, which is what a number of people suspected that Jacob's creature, photographed in Allegheny National Forest in Northwest Pennsylvania on the 16th of September 2007, was: 

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(06-07-2019, 10:22 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(06-07-2019, 06:58 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(06-07-2019, 06:04 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(06-07-2019, 02:26 PM)Shadow Wrote: Heh, this time bigfoot is some deer :) This article also shows good how "seriously" FBI has taken this myth... 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/us/fbi-bigfoot-file.html

But can you explain what that dark hairy thing, photographed at different angles on the edge of Intracoastal Waterway in the US State of Virginia by Randy O'Neal's father and his friend on the 28th of June 2014, is? Also, unlike for the video and story on the "baby Megalodon", this 'Bigfoot' story did make a lot of news around the time that it was released, be it in June (https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-ne...ms-3789645) or July that year (https://wtvr.com/2014/07/02/man-claims-b...ar-photos/, https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/...604514.phphttp://weekinweird.com/2014/07/01/fishin...-virginia/), not just in English news (https://www.hln.be/nieuws/buitenland/daa...gle.com%2F), and it's important to note that O'Neal didn't say that it was definitely Bigfoot, letting others judge it for what it was, and it's definitely not a deer or tree stump (how can tree stumps move around?), and that his dad had gone there due to a mysterious incident over there 25 years prior, in which O'Neal said that he saw "red eyes" staring at him from the darkness of the woods, before apparently managing to shoot it under his father's instructions, and then they heard it screech in pain as it tore through the woods and fell into water, which made a sound as if a car had fallen into the river, and then in the next morning, he and his dad were shocked to see saplings damaged as if they had been torn apart by a powerful, moving thing:


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author






As for this video which claims to 'debunk' the photos, it makes 2 mistakes: Capturing a moving object at different angles doesn't make it fake, and it wasn't Randy O'Neal that took the photos, so its claim to 'debunk' the photos is pointless: 




What is there to explain in some bad quality photos? Maybe Finnish formula 1 driver Kimi Räikkönen is there in gorilla suit once again Wink But when I see some photos, which can be basically anything, I don´t know what value those have, when we are talking about something, which can be found in old myths and fairy tales. I understand, that some people make money by maintaining old myths, so this kind of photos are no surprise. But if someone one day would have a good quality photo, then I would be more than surprised :) But to be honest, I believe to bigfoot just as much as I believe, that Peter Pan exists. So in this matter I don´t participate to any debate, I just don´t see any point in that. I am not interested about bigfoot in that way, that I would believe to it, I don´t as I said. But I have been interested about it in that way, that how some myths born and spread among people.

For good quality images, either somebody would have to get closer to one, or camera-trap one in case it prefers to avoid humans:

Image 1, bear cubs, no doubt about it: http://www.bfro.net/avevid/jacobs/jacobs_photos.asp

*This image is copyright of its original author


Image 2 taken about 30 minutes later, a creature that resembles an ape more than a bear: 

*This image is copyright of its original author


Image 3, taken over half a minute after Image 2, same as above, even in the words of experts who spent time with bears and primates, it looks more like a primate scanning the ground than even a mangy bear scanning the ground, which is what a number of people suspected that Jacob's creature, photographed in Allegheny National Forest in Northwest Pennsylvania on the 16th of September 2007, was: 

*This image is copyright of its original author

To put this in short, I have never seen anything convincing. But more than enough hoaxes. For me in myths, as said, only interesting thing is origin. Some shaman taking too much hallucinogens or something like that...  These photos which could be some young people having fun, when knowing location of some camera are entertaining in a way, but I just don´t see anything special in these. Maybe I am too old and boring in that way :)  Seen too many hoaxes to take seriously something what comes to mythical creatures.
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