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Cryptozoology, Ghosts, Aliens and other mysteries

United Kingdom Sully Offline
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Another big cat sighting, this time a Lynx, in the UK. They just keep coming in and I'm more and more convinced with every report. There have always been talks that Lynx persisted in small populations, and I'd imagine they're thriving with the amount of deer available, leading to an increased number of sightings. As mentioned in the article there has been 8 sightings already this year, as much as the whole of last year.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-...lion-beast
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The mystery of modern-day 'megalodons' or giant sharks. Just as science had it that the coelacanth was a prehistoric fish that became extinct around the same time as the dinosaurs, before one was discovered in 1938 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/190/4219/1105, http://www.elasmo-research.org/education..._lives.htm, https://books.google.com/books?id=cMRe5G...gs&f=false), and science had it that life in the deepest waters away from sunlight was impossible, before it was discovered that it was possible due to hydrothermal vents which spew a lot of superheated water (https://books.google.com/books?id=cMRe5G...gs&f=false), science currently has it that the megalodon was a giant prehistoric shark that became extinct a long time ago, but then, what are all these allegations, or even videos, of there being giant sharks, in different parts of the Pacific Ocean over the last 100 years? Also, people had been alleging the existence of giant squids for about 500 years, and now we know that they were right (https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/).

The Portalisthttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged 
   

* One Polynesian myth regards a 30 m (98 ft) shark called "Lord of the Deep": https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/ 

French Polynesia: https://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/tour...itinerary/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
El Demonio Negro (The Black Demon) of the Sea of Cortez is usually considered to be a black shark, and less commonly a whale, living off the coast of Baja California in Mexico. It is said to measure about 60 ft (18 m) (https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc...on&f=false) similar to the estimated length of the megalodon (https://www.seeker.com/could-a-prehistor...82752.html).

https://www.dive-the-world.com/maps-mexico.php

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* G. Clay Cartmell narrated that sailors in the waters off Australia alleged seeing a white shark near the Great Barrier Reef that rivalled their boat in size, with the boat measuring 85 ft (26 m): https://books.google.com/books?id=K9CiAAAACAAJ&dqhttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged

https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/world/where-is-great-barrier-reef-located/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* David G. Stead narrated that crayfish fishermen alleged seeing a pale white shark near Broughton Island that was about 115 ft (35 m), and had a head that was not shorter than the roof of a wharf shed near Nelson Bay. They were consequently too terrified to return to the area: https://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Habitat-map-of-the-Port-Stephens-embayment-in-New-South-Wales-Australia_fig1_228520283

*This image is copyright of its original author


Videos: 








What was this melanistic shark that appeared next to a great white?




What could have done this to a whale?



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Finland Shadow Offline
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( This post was last modified: 05-30-2019, 03:37 AM by Shadow )

(05-29-2019, 11:20 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: The mystery of modern-day 'megalodons' or giant sharks. Just as science had it that the coelacanth was a prehistoric fish that became extinct around the same time as the dinosaurs, before one was discovered in 1938 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/190/4219/1105, http://www.elasmo-research.org/education..._lives.htm, https://books.google.com/books?id=cMRe5G...gs&f=false), and science had it that life in the deepest waters away from sunlight was impossible, before it was discovered that it was possible due to hydrothermal vents which spew a lot of superheated water (https://books.google.ae/books?id=cMRe5Gm...gs&f=false), science currently has it that the megalodon was a giant prehistoric shark that became extinct a long time ago, but then, what are all these allegations, or even videos, of there being giant sharks, in different parts of the Pacific Ocean over the last 100 years? Also, people had been alleging the existence of giant squids for about 500 years, and now we know that they were right (https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/).

The Portalisthttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged 

*This image is copyright of its original author


* One Polynesian myth regards a 30 m (98 ft) shark called "Lord of the Deep": https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/ 

French Polynesia: https://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/tour...itinerary/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
El Demonio Negro (The Black Demon) of the Sea of Cortez is usually considered to be a black shark, and less commonly a whale, living off the coast of Baja California in Mexico. It is said to measure about 60 ft (18 m) (https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc...on&f=false) similar to the estimated length of the megalodon (https://www.seeker.com/could-a-prehistor...82752.html).

https://www.dive-the-world.com/maps-mexico.php

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* G. Clay Cartmell narrated that sailors in the waters off Australia alleged seeing a white shark near the Great Barrier Reef that rivalled their boat in size, with the boat measuring 85 ft (26 m): https://books.google.com/books?id=K9CiAAAACAAJ&dqhttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged

https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/world/where-is-great-barrier-reef-located/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* David G. Stead narrated that crayfish fishermen alleged seeing a pale white shark near Broughton Island that was about 115 ft (35 m), and had a head that was not shorter than the roof of a wharf shed near Nelson Bay. They were consequently too terrified to return to the area: https://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged


https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Habitat-map-of-the-Port-Stephens-embayment-in-New-South-Wales-Australia_fig1_228520283

*This image is copyright of its original author


Videos: 




What was this melanistic shark that appeared next to a great white?




What could have done this to a whale?




A small reality check. It is good to look closer some videos, which seem to be too good to be true....

Quote:
"Years before the term “fake news” made its way into the lexicon, Discovery Channel got into hot water with a fake documentary.
For those who don’t recall the uproar, during Shark Week in 2013, the network aired “Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives,” about the possible return of a prehistoric creature that went extinct millions of years ago. However, despite a brief disclaimer that it was fiction, many people thought the documentary was real. Megalodons did exist once, but there’s no evidence they’ve reappeared. Scientists were furious at the network, which is presumed to be educational, for confusing viewers.
“It was presented in such a way that you could very easily watch it and not know it was fictional,” one shark expert told NPR."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/07/26/a-fake-shark-week-documentary-about-megalodons-caused-controversy-why-is-discovery-bringing-it-up-again/?utm_term=.a6fabaa1c44a
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United Kingdom Sully Offline
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Can't forget that mermaid special animal planet aired that fooled thousands too haha. Ridiculous from outlets that are supposed to deal with reality to have one fiction show amongst the many documentaries, in turn misleading viewers. There's 0 integrity in it and it annoys me that with all the material the natural world gives them (which we all know to be fascinating and in abundance), they decide to resort to CGI. On the other hand one should expect common sense to be excersized from the viewer, I mean mermaids...lol
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(05-30-2019, 03:32 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-29-2019, 11:20 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: The mystery of modern-day 'megalodons' or giant sharks. Just as science had it that the coelacanth was a prehistoric fish that became extinct around the same time as the dinosaurs, before one was discovered in 1938 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/190/4219/1105, http://www.elasmo-research.org/education..._lives.htm, https://books.google.com/books?id=cMRe5G...gs&f=false), and science had it that life in the deepest waters away from sunlight was impossible, before it was discovered that it was possible due to hydrothermal vents which spew a lot of superheated water (https://books.google.ae/books?id=cMRe5Gm...gs&f=false), science currently has it that the megalodon was a giant prehistoric shark that became extinct a long time ago, but then, what are all these allegations, or even videos, of there being giant sharks, in different parts of the Pacific Ocean over the last 100 years? Also, people had been alleging the existence of giant squids for about 500 years, and now we know that they were right (https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/).

The Portalisthttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged 

*This image is copyright of its original author


* One Polynesian myth regards a 30 m (98 ft) shark called "Lord of the Deep": https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/ 

French Polynesia: https://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/tour...itinerary/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
El Demonio Negro (The Black Demon) of the Sea of Cortez is usually considered to be a black shark, and less commonly a whale, living off the coast of Baja California in Mexico. It is said to measure about 60 ft (18 m) (https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc...on&f=false) similar to the estimated length of the megalodon (https://www.seeker.com/could-a-prehistor...82752.html).

https://www.dive-the-world.com/maps-mexico.php

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* G. Clay Cartmell narrated that sailors in the waters off Australia alleged seeing a white shark near the Great Barrier Reef that rivalled their boat in size, with the boat measuring 85 ft (26 m): https://books.google.com/books?id=K9CiAAAACAAJ&dqhttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged

https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/world/where-is-great-barrier-reef-located/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* David G. Stead narrated that crayfish fishermen alleged seeing a pale white shark near Broughton Island that was about 115 ft (35 m), and had a head that was not shorter than the roof of a wharf shed near Nelson Bay. They were consequently too terrified to return to the area: https://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged


https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Habitat-map-of-the-Port-Stephens-embayment-in-New-South-Wales-Australia_fig1_228520283

*This image is copyright of its original author


Videos: 








What was this melanistic shark that appeared next to a great white?




What could have done this to a whale?




A small reality check. It is good to look closer some videos, which seem to be too good to be true....

Quote:
"Years before the term “fake news” made its way into the lexicon, Discovery Channel got into hot water with a fake documentary.
For those who don’t recall the uproar, during Shark Week in 2013, the network aired “Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives,” about the possible return of a prehistoric creature that went extinct millions of years ago. However, despite a brief disclaimer that it was fiction, many people thought the documentary was real. Megalodons did exist once, but there’s no evidence they’ve reappeared. Scientists were furious at the network, which is presumed to be educational, for confusing viewers.
“It was presented in such a way that you could very easily watch it and not know it was fictional,” one shark expert told NPR."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/07/26/a-fake-shark-week-documentary-about-megalodons-caused-controversy-why-is-discovery-bringing-it-up-again/?utm_term=.a6fabaa1c44a

I know about the controversy over Discovery's Channel's fictitious documentary on the Megalodon, which is why I left that one out.
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(05-30-2019, 11:57 AM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:32 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-29-2019, 11:20 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: The mystery of modern-day 'megalodons' or giant sharks. Just as science had it that the coelacanth was a prehistoric fish that became extinct around the same time as the dinosaurs, before one was discovered in 1938 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/190/4219/1105, http://www.elasmo-research.org/education..._lives.htm, https://books.google.com/books?id=cMRe5G...gs&f=false), and science had it that life in the deepest waters away from sunlight was impossible, before it was discovered that it was possible due to hydrothermal vents which spew a lot of superheated water (https://books.google.ae/books?id=cMRe5Gm...gs&f=false), science currently has it that the megalodon was a giant prehistoric shark that became extinct a long time ago, but then, what are all these allegations, or even videos, of there being giant sharks, in different parts of the Pacific Ocean over the last 100 years? Also, people had been alleging the existence of giant squids for about 500 years, and now we know that they were right (https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/).

The Portalisthttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged 

*This image is copyright of its original author


* One Polynesian myth regards a 30 m (98 ft) shark called "Lord of the Deep": https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/ 

French Polynesia: https://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/tour...itinerary/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
El Demonio Negro (The Black Demon) of the Sea of Cortez is usually considered to be a black shark, and less commonly a whale, living off the coast of Baja California in Mexico. It is said to measure about 60 ft (18 m) (https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc...on&f=false) similar to the estimated length of the megalodon (https://www.seeker.com/could-a-prehistor...82752.html).

https://www.dive-the-world.com/maps-mexico.php

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* G. Clay Cartmell narrated that sailors in the waters off Australia alleged seeing a white shark near the Great Barrier Reef that rivalled their boat in size, with the boat measuring 85 ft (26 m): https://books.google.com/books?id=K9CiAAAACAAJ&dqhttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged

https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/world/where-is-great-barrier-reef-located/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* David G. Stead narrated that crayfish fishermen alleged seeing a pale white shark near Broughton Island that was about 115 ft (35 m), and had a head that was not shorter than the roof of a wharf shed near Nelson Bay. They were consequently too terrified to return to the area: https://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged


https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Habitat-map-of-the-Port-Stephens-embayment-in-New-South-Wales-Australia_fig1_228520283

*This image is copyright of its original author


Videos: 








What was this melanistic shark that appeared next to a great white?




What could have done this to a whale?




A small reality check. It is good to look closer some videos, which seem to be too good to be true....

Quote:
"Years before the term “fake news” made its way into the lexicon, Discovery Channel got into hot water with a fake documentary.
For those who don’t recall the uproar, during Shark Week in 2013, the network aired “Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives,” about the possible return of a prehistoric creature that went extinct millions of years ago. However, despite a brief disclaimer that it was fiction, many people thought the documentary was real. Megalodons did exist once, but there’s no evidence they’ve reappeared. Scientists were furious at the network, which is presumed to be educational, for confusing viewers.
“It was presented in such a way that you could very easily watch it and not know it was fictional,” one shark expert told NPR."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/07/26/a-fake-shark-week-documentary-about-megalodons-caused-controversy-why-is-discovery-bringing-it-up-again/?utm_term=.a6fabaa1c44a

I know about the controversy over Discovery's Channel's fictitious documentary on the Megalodon, which is why I left that one out.

You had many parts of that fake documentary in your posting. It is not about controversy, discovery channel has admitted that it was all made up. Controversy would mean that it is unclear if fake or not. But that program is well known fake. Just check those videos which you shared. I have never heard about video footage about megalodon if we count out fantasy movies and fake documentaries. And reason is quite obvious when thinking about it, what real scientists say about it.
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(05-30-2019, 03:05 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 11:57 AM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:32 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-29-2019, 11:20 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: The mystery of modern-day 'megalodons' or giant sharks. Just as science had it that the coelacanth was a prehistoric fish that became extinct around the same time as the dinosaurs, before one was discovered in 1938 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/190/4219/1105, http://www.elasmo-research.org/education..._lives.htm, https://books.google.com/books?id=cMRe5G...gs&f=false), and science had it that life in the deepest waters away from sunlight was impossible, before it was discovered that it was possible due to hydrothermal vents which spew a lot of superheated water (https://books.google.ae/books?id=cMRe5Gm...gs&f=false), science currently has it that the megalodon was a giant prehistoric shark that became extinct a long time ago, but then, what are all these allegations, or even videos, of there being giant sharks, in different parts of the Pacific Ocean over the last 100 years? Also, people had been alleging the existence of giant squids for about 500 years, and now we know that they were right (https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/).

The Portalisthttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged 

*This image is copyright of its original author


* One Polynesian myth regards a 30 m (98 ft) shark called "Lord of the Deep": https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/ 

French Polynesia: https://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/tour...itinerary/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
El Demonio Negro (The Black Demon) of the Sea of Cortez is usually considered to be a black shark, and less commonly a whale, living off the coast of Baja California in Mexico. It is said to measure about 60 ft (18 m) (https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc...on&f=false) similar to the estimated length of the megalodon (https://www.seeker.com/could-a-prehistor...82752.html).

https://www.dive-the-world.com/maps-mexico.php

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* G. Clay Cartmell narrated that sailors in the waters off Australia alleged seeing a white shark near the Great Barrier Reef that rivalled their boat in size, with the boat measuring 85 ft (26 m): https://books.google.com/books?id=K9CiAAAACAAJ&dqhttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged

https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/world/where-is-great-barrier-reef-located/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* David G. Stead narrated that crayfish fishermen alleged seeing a pale white shark near Broughton Island that was about 115 ft (35 m), and had a head that was not shorter than the roof of a wharf shed near Nelson Bay. They were consequently too terrified to return to the area: https://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged


https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Habitat-map-of-the-Port-Stephens-embayment-in-New-South-Wales-Australia_fig1_228520283

*This image is copyright of its original author


Videos: 








What was this melanistic shark that appeared next to a great white?




What could have done this to a whale?




A small reality check. It is good to look closer some videos, which seem to be too good to be true....

Quote:
"Years before the term “fake news” made its way into the lexicon, Discovery Channel got into hot water with a fake documentary.
For those who don’t recall the uproar, during Shark Week in 2013, the network aired “Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives,” about the possible return of a prehistoric creature that went extinct millions of years ago. However, despite a brief disclaimer that it was fiction, many people thought the documentary was real. Megalodons did exist once, but there’s no evidence they’ve reappeared. Scientists were furious at the network, which is presumed to be educational, for confusing viewers.
“It was presented in such a way that you could very easily watch it and not know it was fictional,” one shark expert told NPR."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/07/26/a-fake-shark-week-documentary-about-megalodons-caused-controversy-why-is-discovery-bringing-it-up-again/?utm_term=.a6fabaa1c44a

I know about the controversy over Discovery's Channel's fictitious documentary on the Megalodon, which is why I left that one out.

You had parts of that in your posting. Just check those videos which you shared. I have never heard about video footage about megalodon if we count out fantasy movies and fake documentaries. And reason is quite obvious when thinking about it, what real scientists say about it.

You mean the last video?




I meant to show a footage in which a mauled carcass of a whale washed up on shore: 



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(05-30-2019, 03:25 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:05 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 11:57 AM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:32 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-29-2019, 11:20 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: The mystery of modern-day 'megalodons' or giant sharks. Just as science had it that the coelacanth was a prehistoric fish that became extinct around the same time as the dinosaurs, before one was discovered in 1938 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/190/4219/1105, http://www.elasmo-research.org/education..._lives.htm, https://books.google.com/books?id=cMRe5G...gs&f=false), and science had it that life in the deepest waters away from sunlight was impossible, before it was discovered that it was possible due to hydrothermal vents which spew a lot of superheated water (https://books.google.ae/books?id=cMRe5Gm...gs&f=false), science currently has it that the megalodon was a giant prehistoric shark that became extinct a long time ago, but then, what are all these allegations, or even videos, of there being giant sharks, in different parts of the Pacific Ocean over the last 100 years? Also, people had been alleging the existence of giant squids for about 500 years, and now we know that they were right (https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/).

The Portalisthttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged 

*This image is copyright of its original author


* One Polynesian myth regards a 30 m (98 ft) shark called "Lord of the Deep": https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/ 

French Polynesia: https://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/tour...itinerary/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
El Demonio Negro (The Black Demon) of the Sea of Cortez is usually considered to be a black shark, and less commonly a whale, living off the coast of Baja California in Mexico. It is said to measure about 60 ft (18 m) (https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc...on&f=false) similar to the estimated length of the megalodon (https://www.seeker.com/could-a-prehistor...82752.html).

https://www.dive-the-world.com/maps-mexico.php

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* G. Clay Cartmell narrated that sailors in the waters off Australia alleged seeing a white shark near the Great Barrier Reef that rivalled their boat in size, with the boat measuring 85 ft (26 m): https://books.google.com/books?id=K9CiAAAACAAJ&dqhttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged

https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/world/where-is-great-barrier-reef-located/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* David G. Stead narrated that crayfish fishermen alleged seeing a pale white shark near Broughton Island that was about 115 ft (35 m), and had a head that was not shorter than the roof of a wharf shed near Nelson Bay. They were consequently too terrified to return to the area: https://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged


https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Habitat-map-of-the-Port-Stephens-embayment-in-New-South-Wales-Australia_fig1_228520283

*This image is copyright of its original author


Videos: 








What was this melanistic shark that appeared next to a great white?




What could have done this to a whale?




A small reality check. It is good to look closer some videos, which seem to be too good to be true....

Quote:
"Years before the term “fake news” made its way into the lexicon, Discovery Channel got into hot water with a fake documentary.
For those who don’t recall the uproar, during Shark Week in 2013, the network aired “Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives,” about the possible return of a prehistoric creature that went extinct millions of years ago. However, despite a brief disclaimer that it was fiction, many people thought the documentary was real. Megalodons did exist once, but there’s no evidence they’ve reappeared. Scientists were furious at the network, which is presumed to be educational, for confusing viewers.
“It was presented in such a way that you could very easily watch it and not know it was fictional,” one shark expert told NPR."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/07/26/a-fake-shark-week-documentary-about-megalodons-caused-controversy-why-is-discovery-bringing-it-up-again/?utm_term=.a6fabaa1c44a

I know about the controversy over Discovery's Channel's fictitious documentary on the Megalodon, which is why I left that one out.

You had parts of that in your posting. Just check those videos which you shared. I have never heard about video footage about megalodon if we count out fantasy movies and fake documentaries. And reason is quite obvious when thinking about it, what real scientists say about it.

You mean the last video?




I meant to show a footage in which a mauled carcass of a whale washed up on shore: 




All videos except that "baby megalodon". Watch those videos and look that fake documentary, that whale carcass is one part of it yes. That "marine biologist Collin Drake" is fictional character and so were all those things in that documentary as Discovery channel admits also. That megalodon baby also looks like to be total nonsense... where and when it would have been filmed :) Have you seen what that youtube poster say, "someone" sent video and headline baby megalodon..... :)  One of the best ways to know, that something is hoax, no information where, when, by whom :) Just some video, which is said to be sent by "someone" Grin
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(05-30-2019, 04:01 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:25 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:05 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 11:57 AM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:32 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-29-2019, 11:20 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: The mystery of modern-day 'megalodons' or giant sharks. Just as science had it that the coelacanth was a prehistoric fish that became extinct around the same time as the dinosaurs, before one was discovered in 1938 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/190/4219/1105, http://www.elasmo-research.org/education..._lives.htm, https://books.google.com/books?id=cMRe5G...gs&f=false), and science had it that life in the deepest waters away from sunlight was impossible, before it was discovered that it was possible due to hydrothermal vents which spew a lot of superheated water (https://books.google.ae/books?id=cMRe5Gm...gs&f=false), science currently has it that the megalodon was a giant prehistoric shark that became extinct a long time ago, but then, what are all these allegations, or even videos, of there being giant sharks, in different parts of the Pacific Ocean over the last 100 years? Also, people had been alleging the existence of giant squids for about 500 years, and now we know that they were right (https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/).

The Portalisthttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged 

*This image is copyright of its original author


* One Polynesian myth regards a 30 m (98 ft) shark called "Lord of the Deep": https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/ 

French Polynesia: https://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/tour...itinerary/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
El Demonio Negro (The Black Demon) of the Sea of Cortez is usually considered to be a black shark, and less commonly a whale, living off the coast of Baja California in Mexico. It is said to measure about 60 ft (18 m) (https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc...on&f=false) similar to the estimated length of the megalodon (https://www.seeker.com/could-a-prehistor...82752.html).

https://www.dive-the-world.com/maps-mexico.php

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* G. Clay Cartmell narrated that sailors in the waters off Australia alleged seeing a white shark near the Great Barrier Reef that rivalled their boat in size, with the boat measuring 85 ft (26 m): https://books.google.com/books?id=K9CiAAAACAAJ&dqhttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged

https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/world/where-is-great-barrier-reef-located/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* David G. Stead narrated that crayfish fishermen alleged seeing a pale white shark near Broughton Island that was about 115 ft (35 m), and had a head that was not shorter than the roof of a wharf shed near Nelson Bay. They were consequently too terrified to return to the area: https://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged


https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Habitat-map-of-the-Port-Stephens-embayment-in-New-South-Wales-Australia_fig1_228520283

*This image is copyright of its original author


Videos: 








What was this melanistic shark that appeared next to a great white?




What could have done this to a whale?




A small reality check. It is good to look closer some videos, which seem to be too good to be true....

Quote:
"Years before the term “fake news” made its way into the lexicon, Discovery Channel got into hot water with a fake documentary.
For those who don’t recall the uproar, during Shark Week in 2013, the network aired “Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives,” about the possible return of a prehistoric creature that went extinct millions of years ago. However, despite a brief disclaimer that it was fiction, many people thought the documentary was real. Megalodons did exist once, but there’s no evidence they’ve reappeared. Scientists were furious at the network, which is presumed to be educational, for confusing viewers.
“It was presented in such a way that you could very easily watch it and not know it was fictional,” one shark expert told NPR."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/07/26/a-fake-shark-week-documentary-about-megalodons-caused-controversy-why-is-discovery-bringing-it-up-again/?utm_term=.a6fabaa1c44a

I know about the controversy over Discovery's Channel's fictitious documentary on the Megalodon, which is why I left that one out.

You had parts of that in your posting. Just check those videos which you shared. I have never heard about video footage about megalodon if we count out fantasy movies and fake documentaries. And reason is quite obvious when thinking about it, what real scientists say about it.

You mean the last video?




I meant to show a footage in which a mauled carcass of a whale washed up on shore: 




All videos except that "baby megalodon". Watch those videos and look that fake documentary, that whale carcass is one part of it yes. That "marine biologist Collin Drake" is fictional character and so were all those things in that documentary as Discovery channel admits also. That megalodon baby also looks like to be total nonsense... where and when it would have been filmed :) Have you seen what that youtube poster say, "someone" sent video and headline baby megalodon..... :)  One of the best ways to know, that something is hoax, no information where, when, by whom :) Just some video, which is said to be sent by "someone" Grin

About that "baby megalodon", 2014 off the coast of Australia in the Indian Ocean.
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(05-30-2019, 06:24 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 04:01 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:25 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:05 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 11:57 AM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:32 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-29-2019, 11:20 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: The mystery of modern-day 'megalodons' or giant sharks. Just as science had it that the coelacanth was a prehistoric fish that became extinct around the same time as the dinosaurs, before one was discovered in 1938 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/190/4219/1105, http://www.elasmo-research.org/education..._lives.htm, https://books.google.com/books?id=cMRe5G...gs&f=false), and science had it that life in the deepest waters away from sunlight was impossible, before it was discovered that it was possible due to hydrothermal vents which spew a lot of superheated water (https://books.google.ae/books?id=cMRe5Gm...gs&f=false), science currently has it that the megalodon was a giant prehistoric shark that became extinct a long time ago, but then, what are all these allegations, or even videos, of there being giant sharks, in different parts of the Pacific Ocean over the last 100 years? Also, people had been alleging the existence of giant squids for about 500 years, and now we know that they were right (https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/).

The Portalisthttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged 

*This image is copyright of its original author


* One Polynesian myth regards a 30 m (98 ft) shark called "Lord of the Deep": https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/ 

French Polynesia: https://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/tour...itinerary/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
El Demonio Negro (The Black Demon) of the Sea of Cortez is usually considered to be a black shark, and less commonly a whale, living off the coast of Baja California in Mexico. It is said to measure about 60 ft (18 m) (https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc...on&f=false) similar to the estimated length of the megalodon (https://www.seeker.com/could-a-prehistor...82752.html).

https://www.dive-the-world.com/maps-mexico.php

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* G. Clay Cartmell narrated that sailors in the waters off Australia alleged seeing a white shark near the Great Barrier Reef that rivalled their boat in size, with the boat measuring 85 ft (26 m): https://books.google.com/books?id=K9CiAAAACAAJ&dqhttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged

https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/world/where-is-great-barrier-reef-located/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* David G. Stead narrated that crayfish fishermen alleged seeing a pale white shark near Broughton Island that was about 115 ft (35 m), and had a head that was not shorter than the roof of a wharf shed near Nelson Bay. They were consequently too terrified to return to the area: https://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged


https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Habitat-map-of-the-Port-Stephens-embayment-in-New-South-Wales-Australia_fig1_228520283

*This image is copyright of its original author


Videos: 








What was this melanistic shark that appeared next to a great white?




What could have done this to a whale?




A small reality check. It is good to look closer some videos, which seem to be too good to be true....

Quote:
"Years before the term “fake news” made its way into the lexicon, Discovery Channel got into hot water with a fake documentary.
For those who don’t recall the uproar, during Shark Week in 2013, the network aired “Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives,” about the possible return of a prehistoric creature that went extinct millions of years ago. However, despite a brief disclaimer that it was fiction, many people thought the documentary was real. Megalodons did exist once, but there’s no evidence they’ve reappeared. Scientists were furious at the network, which is presumed to be educational, for confusing viewers.
“It was presented in such a way that you could very easily watch it and not know it was fictional,” one shark expert told NPR."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/07/26/a-fake-shark-week-documentary-about-megalodons-caused-controversy-why-is-discovery-bringing-it-up-again/?utm_term=.a6fabaa1c44a

I know about the controversy over Discovery's Channel's fictitious documentary on the Megalodon, which is why I left that one out.

You had parts of that in your posting. Just check those videos which you shared. I have never heard about video footage about megalodon if we count out fantasy movies and fake documentaries. And reason is quite obvious when thinking about it, what real scientists say about it.

You mean the last video?




I meant to show a footage in which a mauled carcass of a whale washed up on shore: 




All videos except that "baby megalodon". Watch those videos and look that fake documentary, that whale carcass is one part of it yes. That "marine biologist Collin Drake" is fictional character and so were all those things in that documentary as Discovery channel admits also. That megalodon baby also looks like to be total nonsense... where and when it would have been filmed :) Have you seen what that youtube poster say, "someone" sent video and headline baby megalodon..... :)  One of the best ways to know, that something is hoax, no information where, when, by whom :) Just some video, which is said to be sent by "someone" Grin

About that "baby megalodon", 2014 off the coast of Australia in the Indian Ocean.

So who filmed it? There were many people in that cage, do we have any names, eye witness interviews? Where in the coast of Australia, it is quite big coast :) Date? I mean if real video, that would have been sensational at that time, how come no real scientists haven´t reacted to that video? Wink
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(05-30-2019, 06:24 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 04:01 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:25 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:05 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 11:57 AM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:32 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-29-2019, 11:20 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: The mystery of modern-day 'megalodons' or giant sharks. Just as science had it that the coelacanth was a prehistoric fish that became extinct around the same time as the dinosaurs, before one was discovered in 1938 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/190/4219/1105, http://www.elasmo-research.org/education..._lives.htm, https://books.google.com/books?id=cMRe5G...gs&f=false), and science had it that life in the deepest waters away from sunlight was impossible, before it was discovered that it was possible due to hydrothermal vents which spew a lot of superheated water (https://books.google.ae/books?id=cMRe5Gm...gs&f=false), science currently has it that the megalodon was a giant prehistoric shark that became extinct a long time ago, but then, what are all these allegations, or even videos, of there being giant sharks, in different parts of the Pacific Ocean over the last 100 years? Also, people had been alleging the existence of giant squids for about 500 years, and now we know that they were right (https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/).

The Portalisthttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged 

*This image is copyright of its original author


* One Polynesian myth regards a 30 m (98 ft) shark called "Lord of the Deep": https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/ 

French Polynesia: https://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/tour...itinerary/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
El Demonio Negro (The Black Demon) of the Sea of Cortez is usually considered to be a black shark, and less commonly a whale, living off the coast of Baja California in Mexico. It is said to measure about 60 ft (18 m) (https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc...on&f=false) similar to the estimated length of the megalodon (https://www.seeker.com/could-a-prehistor...82752.html).

https://www.dive-the-world.com/maps-mexico.php

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* G. Clay Cartmell narrated that sailors in the waters off Australia alleged seeing a white shark near the Great Barrier Reef that rivalled their boat in size, with the boat measuring 85 ft (26 m): https://books.google.com/books?id=K9CiAAAACAAJ&dqhttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged

https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/world/where-is-great-barrier-reef-located/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* David G. Stead narrated that crayfish fishermen alleged seeing a pale white shark near Broughton Island that was about 115 ft (35 m), and had a head that was not shorter than the roof of a wharf shed near Nelson Bay. They were consequently too terrified to return to the area: https://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged


https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Habitat-map-of-the-Port-Stephens-embayment-in-New-South-Wales-Australia_fig1_228520283

*This image is copyright of its original author


Videos: 








What was this melanistic shark that appeared next to a great white?




What could have done this to a whale?




A small reality check. It is good to look closer some videos, which seem to be too good to be true....

Quote:
"Years before the term “fake news” made its way into the lexicon, Discovery Channel got into hot water with a fake documentary.
For those who don’t recall the uproar, during Shark Week in 2013, the network aired “Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives,” about the possible return of a prehistoric creature that went extinct millions of years ago. However, despite a brief disclaimer that it was fiction, many people thought the documentary was real. Megalodons did exist once, but there’s no evidence they’ve reappeared. Scientists were furious at the network, which is presumed to be educational, for confusing viewers.
“It was presented in such a way that you could very easily watch it and not know it was fictional,” one shark expert told NPR."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/07/26/a-fake-shark-week-documentary-about-megalodons-caused-controversy-why-is-discovery-bringing-it-up-again/?utm_term=.a6fabaa1c44a

I know about the controversy over Discovery's Channel's fictitious documentary on the Megalodon, which is why I left that one out.

You had parts of that in your posting. Just check those videos which you shared. I have never heard about video footage about megalodon if we count out fantasy movies and fake documentaries. And reason is quite obvious when thinking about it, what real scientists say about it.

You mean the last video?




I meant to show a footage in which a mauled carcass of a whale washed up on shore: 




All videos except that "baby megalodon". Watch those videos and look that fake documentary, that whale carcass is one part of it yes. That "marine biologist Collin Drake" is fictional character and so were all those things in that documentary as Discovery channel admits also. That megalodon baby also looks like to be total nonsense... where and when it would have been filmed :) Have you seen what that youtube poster say, "someone" sent video and headline baby megalodon..... :)  One of the best ways to know, that something is hoax, no information where, when, by whom :) Just some video, which is said to be sent by "someone" Grin

About that "baby megalodon", 2014 off the coast of Australia in the Indian Ocean.

Just to save your time, look this interview and look who is the "expert" there commenting :) 

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x67y66t

Here you can find casting for that "documentary" from discovery channel.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3100780/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

So for instance this Colin Drake (or Collin drake) is in reality actor Darron Meyer.
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(05-30-2019, 06:24 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 04:01 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:25 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:05 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 11:57 AM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(05-30-2019, 03:32 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(05-29-2019, 11:20 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: The mystery of modern-day 'megalodons' or giant sharks. Just as science had it that the coelacanth was a prehistoric fish that became extinct around the same time as the dinosaurs, before one was discovered in 1938 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/190/4219/1105, http://www.elasmo-research.org/education..._lives.htm, https://books.google.com/books?id=cMRe5G...gs&f=false), and science had it that life in the deepest waters away from sunlight was impossible, before it was discovered that it was possible due to hydrothermal vents which spew a lot of superheated water (https://books.google.ae/books?id=cMRe5Gm...gs&f=false), science currently has it that the megalodon was a giant prehistoric shark that became extinct a long time ago, but then, what are all these allegations, or even videos, of there being giant sharks, in different parts of the Pacific Ocean over the last 100 years? Also, people had been alleging the existence of giant squids for about 500 years, and now we know that they were right (https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/).

The Portalisthttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged 

*This image is copyright of its original author


* One Polynesian myth regards a 30 m (98 ft) shark called "Lord of the Deep": https://survivalnation.com/2018/01/the-l...ive-video/ 

French Polynesia: https://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/tour...itinerary/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
El Demonio Negro (The Black Demon) of the Sea of Cortez is usually considered to be a black shark, and less commonly a whale, living off the coast of Baja California in Mexico. It is said to measure about 60 ft (18 m) (https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc...on&f=false) similar to the estimated length of the megalodon (https://www.seeker.com/could-a-prehistor...82752.html).

https://www.dive-the-world.com/maps-mexico.php

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* G. Clay Cartmell narrated that sailors in the waters off Australia alleged seeing a white shark near the Great Barrier Reef that rivalled their boat in size, with the boat measuring 85 ft (26 m): https://books.google.com/books?id=K9CiAAAACAAJ&dqhttps://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged

https://www.mapsofworld.com/answers/world/where-is-great-barrier-reef-located/

*This image is copyright of its original author

 
* David G. Stead narrated that crayfish fishermen alleged seeing a pale white shark near Broughton Island that was about 115 ft (35 m), and had a head that was not shorter than the roof of a wharf shed near Nelson Bay. They were consequently too terrified to return to the area: https://theportalist.com/megalodon-sightings-alleged


https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Habitat-map-of-the-Port-Stephens-embayment-in-New-South-Wales-Australia_fig1_228520283

*This image is copyright of its original author


Videos: 








What was this melanistic shark that appeared next to a great white?




What could have done this to a whale?




A small reality check. It is good to look closer some videos, which seem to be too good to be true....

Quote:
"Years before the term “fake news” made its way into the lexicon, Discovery Channel got into hot water with a fake documentary.
For those who don’t recall the uproar, during Shark Week in 2013, the network aired “Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives,” about the possible return of a prehistoric creature that went extinct millions of years ago. However, despite a brief disclaimer that it was fiction, many people thought the documentary was real. Megalodons did exist once, but there’s no evidence they’ve reappeared. Scientists were furious at the network, which is presumed to be educational, for confusing viewers.
“It was presented in such a way that you could very easily watch it and not know it was fictional,” one shark expert told NPR."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/07/26/a-fake-shark-week-documentary-about-megalodons-caused-controversy-why-is-discovery-bringing-it-up-again/?utm_term=.a6fabaa1c44a

I know about the controversy over Discovery's Channel's fictitious documentary on the Megalodon, which is why I left that one out.

You had parts of that in your posting. Just check those videos which you shared. I have never heard about video footage about megalodon if we count out fantasy movies and fake documentaries. And reason is quite obvious when thinking about it, what real scientists say about it.

You mean the last video?




I meant to show a footage in which a mauled carcass of a whale washed up on shore: 




All videos except that "baby megalodon". Watch those videos and look that fake documentary, that whale carcass is one part of it yes. That "marine biologist Collin Drake" is fictional character and so were all those things in that documentary as Discovery channel admits also. That megalodon baby also looks like to be total nonsense... where and when it would have been filmed :) Have you seen what that youtube poster say, "someone" sent video and headline baby megalodon..... :)  One of the best ways to know, that something is hoax, no information where, when, by whom :) Just some video, which is said to be sent by "someone" Grin

About that "baby megalodon", 2014 off the coast of Australia in the Indian Ocean.

Anyway all make mistakes time to time, there is nothing dangerous in that. It is just, that when there is some "spectacular" footage claimed to be about some animal, which is known to be extinct for millions of years, source criticism alert should be ringing at highest possible level. Can people mentioned in some video be found from some other sources etc.? This Martin Isaacs, who is in that interview about "baby megalodon"... doesn´t exist and neither does that organization he mention there as his employer.

Discovery channel really made up a lot of confusion by making that fairy tale looking like documentary. It is real shame that so many "documentaries" are made to get viewers, not to give good information :/
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Heh, this time bigfoot is some deer :) This article also shows good how "seriously" FBI has taken this myth... 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/us/fbi-bigfoot-file.html
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(06-07-2019, 02:26 PM)Shadow Wrote: Heh, this time bigfoot is some deer :) This article also shows good how "seriously" FBI has taken this myth... 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/us/fbi-bigfoot-file.html

But can you explain what that dark hairy thing, photographed at different angles on the edge of Intracoastal Waterway in the US State of Virginia by Randy O'Neal's father and his friend on the 28th of June 2014, is? Also, unlike for the video and story on the "baby Megalodon", this 'Bigfoot' story did make a lot of news around the time that it was released, be it in June (https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-ne...ms-3789645) or July that year (https://wtvr.com/2014/07/02/man-claims-b...ar-photos/, https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/...604514.phphttp://weekinweird.com/2014/07/01/fishin...-virginia/), not just in English news (https://www.hln.be/nieuws/buitenland/daa...gle.com%2F), and it's important to note that O'Neal didn't say that it was definitely Bigfoot, letting others judge it for what it was, and it's definitely not a deer or tree stump (how can tree stumps move around?), and that his dad had gone there due to a mysterious incident over there 25 years prior, in which O'Neal said that he saw "red eyes" staring at him from the darkness of the woods, before apparently managing to shoot it under his father's instructions, and then they heard it screech in pain as it tore through the woods and fell into water, which made a sound as if a car had fallen into the river, and then in the next morning, he and his dad were shocked to see saplings damaged as if they had been torn apart by a powerful, moving thing:


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As for this video which claims to 'debunk' the photos, it makes 2 mistakes: Capturing a moving object at different angles doesn't make it fake, and it wasn't Randy O'Neal that took the photos, so its claim to 'debunk' the photos is pointless: 



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(06-07-2019, 06:04 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(06-07-2019, 02:26 PM)Shadow Wrote: Heh, this time bigfoot is some deer :) This article also shows good how "seriously" FBI has taken this myth... 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/us/fbi-bigfoot-file.html

But can you explain what that dark hairy thing, photographed at different angles on the edge of Intracoastal Waterway in the US State of Virginia by Randy O'Neal's father and his friend on the 28th of June 2014, is? Also, unlike for the video and story on the "baby Megalodon", this 'Bigfoot' story did make a lot of news around the time that it was released, be it in June (https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-ne...ms-3789645) or July that year (https://wtvr.com/2014/07/02/man-claims-b...ar-photos/, https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/...604514.phphttp://weekinweird.com/2014/07/01/fishin...-virginia/), not just in English news (https://www.hln.be/nieuws/buitenland/daa...gle.com%2F), and it's important to note that O'Neal didn't say that it was definitely Bigfoot, letting others judge it for what it was, and it's definitely not a deer or tree stump (how can tree stumps move around?), and that his dad had gone there due to a mysterious incident over there 25 years prior, in which O'Neal said that he saw "red eyes" staring at him from the darkness of the woods, before apparently managing to shoot it under his father's instructions, and then they heard it screech in pain as it tore through the woods and fell into water, which made a sound as if a car had fallen into the river, and then in the next morning, he and his dad were shocked to see saplings damaged as if they had been torn apart by a powerful, moving thing:


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As for this video which claims to 'debunk' the photos, it makes 2 mistakes: Capturing a moving object at different angles doesn't make it fake, and it wasn't Randy O'Neal that took the photos, so its claim to 'debunk' the photos is pointless: 




What is there to explain in some bad quality photos? Maybe Finnish formula 1 driver Kimi Räikkönen is there in gorilla suit once again Wink But when I see some photos, which can be basically anything, I don´t know what value those have, when we are talking about something, which can be found in old myths and fairy tales. I understand, that some people make money by maintaining old myths, so this kind of photos are no surprise. But if someone one day would have a good quality photo, then I would be more than surprised :) But to be honest, I believe to bigfoot just as much as I believe, that Peter Pan exists. So in this matter I don´t participate to any debate, I just don´t see any point in that. I am not interested about bigfoot in that way, that I would believe to it, I don´t as I said. But I have been interested about it in that way, that how some myths born and spread among people.
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