Captive Lion and Tiger weights

[peter]

(03-17-2020, 07:05 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(03-16-2020, 11:49 PM)peter Wrote:

(03-16-2020, 09:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(03-16-2020, 09:34 PM)GuateGojira Wrote:

(03-15-2020, 11:20 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: what happened? 

The issue is that those that knew him we trust in his information, but those that no are now putting doubt in his reports. Sadly we lost contact with him so there is no form to corroborate his information.

I can't find any of his original posts now, too much junk to look through.
Does anyone know where to find them now?

Assuming youre'referring to the posts of EagleRaptor: No worries. 

I printed, scanned and stored every informing post of Eagle. I can't post them right now, because that would take time. Time I need to finish reorganising my archive. It's so large, that it already took more than a year (...). But I'm getting there.

Do you have a link to the Old AVA page by chance?

@Hello
Where did ER pretend to be someone?

Here's the link: 

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/animalsversesanimals/tigers-i-look-after-plus-stud-book-numbers-weights-t411-s10.html?amp=1

The thread he started has a lot of information about captive tigers and the number of founders. Reply

[Hello]

(03-17-2020, 07:05 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(03-16-2020, 11:49 PM)peter Wrote:

(03-16-2020, 09:45 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(03-16-2020, 09:34 PM)GuateGojira Wrote:

(03-15-2020, 11:20 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: what happened? 

The issue is that those that knew him we trust in his information, but those that no are now putting doubt in his reports. Sadly we lost contact with him so there is no form to corroborate his information.

I can't find any of his original posts now, too much junk to look through.
Does anyone know where to find them now?

Assuming youre'referring to the posts of EagleRaptor: No worries. 

I printed, scanned and stored every informing post of Eagle. I can't post them right now, because that would take time. Time I need to finish reorganising my archive. It's so large, that it already took more than a year (...). But I'm getting there.

Do you have a link to the Old AVA page by chance?

@Hello
Where did ER pretend to be someone?

I contacted kennion on fb and he is my friend , he said that original info about tigers was shared by him on yahoo and someone named Er stole his information about studbook tigers Reply

[Pckts]

@Hello 
No where does he claim the studbook is his and then goes on to state the Tigers he's specifically looked after with photos of him and the Tigers together or Tigers he's seen first hand.
Can you specify where exactly he's mistaken or shown to be fraudulent? Reply

[Hello]

I mean the original info was shared by kennion

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[Hello]

This is the 282 kg Siberian named Kistora from Howletts

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[Pckts]

He never claims to be that keeper and his weight was almost the same which was information he received from the "zoo vet" and the mans height was off by 1" *5'11" instead of 5'10"*
He also speaks about meeting another Keeper from Howletts as well in which he states that he went there only once.
He also shows photos of him with a few of the Tigers he's looked after. So unless the photos of him with the Tigers are actually Kennion with the Tigers, it looks to me as his info is fairly accurate. Reply

[Hello]

If you read carefully ,Here in this pic ER is pretending to be kennion in AVA thread ,This is actually Craige Kennion

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[Pckts]

(03-17-2020, 06:11 PM)Hello Wrote: If you read carefully ,Here in this pic ER is pretending to be kennion in AVA thread ,This is actually Craige Kennion

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If that is Kennion then yes, ER is claiming false info.
Do you know for a fact that is Kennion your email corresponding with?

Just checked his alleged FB page, no new updates in years so its hard to tell.
But here you can see the Tiger with a claimed weight of 611lbs

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Which is what ER said, not the weight claimed in that email.
I found another of his FB pages with more recent updates including Gamin

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[Hello]

The account with Gamin as avatar has recent updates of him and he is a nice guy Reply

[Pckts]

(03-17-2020, 07:50 PM)Hello Wrote: The account with Gamin as avatar has recent updates of him and he is a nice guy

I'm not saying that he is or isn't who your speaking with but I just befriended him on FB and without introduction this was his message to me right off the bat...

"Hi, thanks for friend request, i assume you like animals sending me friend request.
I have looked after several Amur (Siberian) tigers in zoos for 26 years as a zoo keeper.
Our Amur tigers took part in the European EEP captive breeding program.
These 2 pics show 2 of them I looked after.
In the first pic the amur tiger was weighed at
282kg, I am also on the left in pic & I am 5,11 in height, giving idea of his size. In the second pic the amur tiger was weighed
at 276 kg, the man near him is not me."

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To me, that is a bit fishy tbh, at this point I would think that he would be tired of discussing these old cats but that's just an assumption.
But I'm certainly not ready to discredit ER based on what I've seen so far, but that's just my opinion.  Reply

[johnny rex]

(03-17-2020, 09:23 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(03-17-2020, 07:50 PM)Hello Wrote: The account with Gamin as avatar has recent updates of him and he is a nice guy

I'm not saying that he is or isn't who your speaking with but I just befriended him on FB and without introduction this was his message to me right off the bat...

"Hi, thanks for friend request, i assume you like animals sending me friend request.
I have looked after several Amur (Siberian) tigers in zoos for 26 years as a zoo keeper.
Our Amur tigers took part in the European EEP captive breeding program.
These 2 pics show 2 of them I looked after.
In the first pic the amur tiger was weighed at
282kg, I am also on the left in pic & I am 5,11 in height, giving idea of his size. In the second pic the amur tiger was weighed
at 276 kg, the man near him is not me."

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To me, that is a bit fishy tbh, at this point I would think that he would be tired of discussing these old cats but that's just an assumption.
But I'm certainly not ready to discredit ER based on what I've seen so far, but that's just my opinion. 

So, in your opinion, what's the closest size estimation of Gamin? Reply

[Pckts]

(03-17-2020, 09:28 PM)johnny rex Wrote:

(03-17-2020, 09:23 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(03-17-2020, 07:50 PM)Hello Wrote: The account with Gamin as avatar has recent updates of him and he is a nice guy

I'm not saying that he is or isn't who your speaking with but I just befriended him on FB and without introduction this was his message to me right off the bat...

"Hi, thanks for friend request, i assume you like animals sending me friend request.
I have looked after several Amur (Siberian) tigers in zoos for 26 years as a zoo keeper.
Our Amur tigers took part in the European EEP captive breeding program.
These 2 pics show 2 of them I looked after.
In the first pic the amur tiger was weighed at
282kg, I am also on the left in pic & I am 5,11 in height, giving idea of his size. In the second pic the amur tiger was weighed
at 276 kg, the man near him is not me."

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To me, that is a bit fishy tbh, at this point I would think that he would be tired of discussing these old cats but that's just an assumption.
But I'm certainly not ready to discredit ER based on what I've seen so far, but that's just my opinion. 

So, in your opinion, what's the closest size estimation of Gamin?

I'd have to see a larger photo of him but it's very hard to estimate based off of single photos. Reply

[Hello]

He looks very large here and he is 43 inches tall and is comparable to Duisburg tiger who is estimated at 280-300 kg

Duisburg tiger

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[Hello]

Here is he compared to his son Zambar at 400 pounds (weighed)

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[Pckts]

(03-17-2020, 09:42 PM)Hello Wrote: Here is he compared to his son Zambar at 400 pounds (weighed)

Based off this video I'd estimate him to have 100-200lbs on his Son, but it's hard to know for sure without seeing him with your own eyes. Reply