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Captive Lion and Tiger weights

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Sultan, Sita, Taj and Rama were a quartette of Bengal tigers born in 1998 at Dreamworld in Queensland, Australia (“The Awesome Pawsome”). These photos give a great sense of how enormous tigers are compared to humans…

Sultan (200kg)


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William Ong, Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/william_modelux/2541234389/

Sita (135kg)


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John, Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/shebalso/5262809937/

Taj (195kg)


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GetHiroshima, Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/gethiroshima/3279548239/

Rama (180kg)


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Amanda Greenslade, Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/alikai/2563568481
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(09-15-2021, 11:57 AM)LandSeaLion Wrote: A thesis by Shilpa Pradeep Parbhu (University of Johannesburg, 2019) comparing the morphological and genetic characteristics of captive lions in South Africa with those of their wild counterparts:

https://ujcontent.uj.ac.za/vital/access/services/Download/uj:33564/SOURCE1

Lions from four breeding facilities in South Africa were measured. The morphological characteristics are laid out in detail on page 28. I’ve copied most of them below; the thesis also has a few extra measurements like leg length and canine length (shoulder length is the length between the shoulder blades and the start of the tail, by the way):

Facility 1 (n=23)

Males (n=7)
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Average weight: 241.16 kg
Average total length: 296.86cm
Shoulder length: 116.43cm
Abdominal girth: 159.2cm
Chest girth: 149.4cm
Tail length: 90.71cm
Tail circumference: 30.57cm
Head length: 42.84cm
Head width: 31.14cm

Females (n=16)
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Average weight: 149.65 kg
Average total length: 250.21cm
Shoulder length: 101.64cm
Abdominal girth: 132.14cm
Chest girth: 122.23cm
Tail length: 80.31cm
Tail circumference: 25.44cm
Head length: 35.5cm
Head width: 19.33cm

Facility #2 (n=11)

Males (n=4)
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Average weight: 199.65kg
Average total length: 290.75cm
Shoulder length: 158cm
Abdominal girth: 141.5cm
Chest girth: 142.25cm
Tail length: 85.75cm
Tail circumference: 26.25cm
Head length: 44.5cm
Head width: 29.75cm

Females (n=7)
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Average weight: 121.23cm
Average total length: 243cm
Shoulder length: 134cm
Abdominal girth: 115.5cm
Chest girth: 112cm
Tail length: 74.57cm
Tail circumference: 23.25cm
Head length: 35.29cm
Head width: 20.43cm

Facility #3 (n=11)

Males (n=2)
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Average weight: 260.25kg
Average total length: 298.5cm
Shoulder length: 168cm
Abdominal girth: 153cm
Chest girth: 158cm
Tail length: 93.5cm
Tail circumference: 32.25cm
Head length: 48cm
Head width: 34cm

Females (n=9)
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Average weight: 161.94kg (the boxplot on page 32 indicates that one outlier lioness weighed about 220kg)
Average total length: 254.39cm
Shoulder length: 134.67cm
Abdominal girth: 132.89cm
Chest girth: 129.44cm
Tail length: 83.67cm
Tail circumference: 26.72cm
Head length: 35.11cm
Head width: 19.63cm

Facility #4 (n=81)

Males (n=26)
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Average weight: 227.78kg
Average total length: -
Shoulder length: 155.23cm
Abdominal girth: -
Chest girth: -
Tail length: -
Tail circumference: -
Head length: -
Head width: -

Females (n=18 - I suspect this might be a typo, given that n total is meant to be 81 for facility #4)
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Average weight: 159.82kg
Average total length: -
Shoulder length: 132.83cm
Abdominal girth: -
Chest girth: -
Tail length: -
Tail circumference: -
Head length: -
Head width: -

The average weights of males and females was 229kg and 152kg respectively (compared to 190kg and 126kg for lions in the wild). Potential reasons given for the discrepancy include selective breeding for larger lions in captivity (pg 40), more regular feeding sessions (pg 42) and less room to exercise (pg 42). 

The captive lions in these particular facilities showed good genetic diversity, and no visible evidence of disease or malnutrition.

@LandSeaLion hello, sorry for pinging..
I want you help tho

Can you pls get more info about this study and contact the guy who took measurements of these lions?
It will be nice if you can...
Pls reply
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Professor Bettine van Vuuren (Director of the Centre for Ecological Genomics and Wildlife Conservation at the University of Johannesburg) supervised the project, and has a public-facing research profile. Perhaps you could try contacting her if you’d like more information about the project? 

https://www.molzoolab.co.za/contact.html
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Found this site after searching Google images. Read comments on Craig kenion.
Been a Marwell visitor past 20+ years. Seeing your comment about the guy I checked him out on FB, seeing his pictures I can confirm he worked there although only for about a year, that's around 15 year back
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https://www.deviantart.com/adambarefoot/...-148826480

Location: Oaklawn Farm Zoo, Nova Scotia
Subject: Rutledge
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Rutledge was born May 28, 1991 to parents Leo and Cleo at Oaklawn Farm Zoo. Rutledge was the largest of the four kittens in his litter. At the age of 4 1/2 he was recognized by Guiness as the world's largest living lion in captivity. He weighed 366 kg (807 lbs) with a shoulder height of 42.5 " and a girth of 70". Rutledge spent his life living in the large lion compound at Oaklawn with his brothers and sisters, some older, some younger. Rultledge passed away on February 3, 2009 just a few months short of 18 years, well beyond the normal life expendency of lions. He will be missed.
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http://idwalagamelodge.blogspot.com/2010...s.html?m=1
210kg lioness sarabi
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https://books.google.co.in/books?id=PhEr...oo&f=false 

371 lbs male lion from zoo
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( This post was last modified: 10-16-2021, 02:50 PM by Charger01 )

Weights of adult pure bred Bengal Tigers from Myrtle Beach Safari


1. Arjun - 540 lbs / 245 kg
   

2. Sundaram - 550 lbs / 250 kg




3. Maha - 575 lbs / 261 kg
   

4. Ishta - 600 lbs / 272 kg
   

5. Don't know his name, but - 600 lbs / 272 kg
   

6. Kailash - 650 lbs / 295 kg
Kailash next to Sundaram - 




7. Kumar - 675 lbs / 306 kg
   

8. Sri - 680 lbs / 309 kg  
   
   
   
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(10-16-2021, 02:46 PM)Khan85 Wrote: Weights of adult pure bred Bengal Tigers from Myrtle Beach Safari


1. Arjun - 540 lbs / 245 kg


2. Sundaram - 550 lbs / 250 kg




3. Maha - 575 lbs / 261 kg


4. Ishta - 600 lbs / 272 kg


5. Don't know his name, but - 600 lbs / 272 kg


6. Kailash - 650 lbs / 295 kg
Kailash next to Sundaram - 




7. Kumar - 675 lbs / 306 kg


8. Sri - 680 lbs / 309 kg  

@khan85 can you provide the source?
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https://www.alamy.com/jassass-a-250-kilo...14672.html
Jassass, a 250 kilogram seven-year-old male lion, and Warda, a six year old female tiger weighing 120 kilograms fight after keepers at Jordan's Zoo cohabitated them in one cage August 30, 2001. Warda turned back Jassass's overtures but the zoo keepers are hopeful that Warda will soon be seduced by Jassass in what they say is one of the few marriages between a lion and a tiger.
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Muscular and huge forearms,



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Jonathan,170 kg

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Upepo 5 yrs, 180 kg


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( This post was last modified: 12-28-2021, 04:32 AM by LandSeaLion )

I can’t reply directly to Peter’s latest post in the tiger extinction thread, but I wanted to comment on this bit so I’ll do it here:

Quote:Tiger no. 82 in the table is exceptional. The weight (442,4 kg) is reliable, but I don't know if he was very large or a very obese tiger. As he's over 100 kg (221 pounds) heavier than the second heaviest, I decided against using the weight. This, however, doesn't mean it was an imaginary tiger. He's very real. According to 'Betty', who has an extensive database, there are tigers well exceeding 300 kg in Chinese zoos. At least 3 of them are over 400 kg. These exceptional individuals are used for breeding purposes.

I think it is reasonable to assume that 400+ kg tigers would be unhealthy animals. At 442kg, this weight actually makes the tiger heavier than Jaipur, the world-record setting tiger who weighed 423kg at the age of 9:


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Jaipur was morbidly obese. As far as I’m aware, no documented healthy captive cat (other than hybrids) has come close to weighing this amount. It’s worth noting that the study that mentioned the 442kg tiger also made these observations about their health-related biomarkers:

Quote:AMY is one of the markers most commonly used for diagnosing pancreatic diseases, especially acute pancreatitis (Vissers et al., 1999). In this study, AMY level ranged from 1910 to 3,000 U L−1 with an average value of 2,563.45 U L−1. The AMY level for most tigers was approximately 3,000 U L−1, which could be interpreted as a sign of disease but was most likely related to a high-fat, high-protein or high-carbohydrate dietary (Grossman et al., 1943; Kondo et al., 1988).

Quote:As the main parameter of the renal function examination, UREA level in this study was extremely high, and the reason for this was similar to that for the high CREA level (Marco et al., 2000). Dehydration, acute haemorrhage and a series of kidney diseases, such as glomerulonephritis and renal failure, could increase CREA and UREA levels. 

Incidentally, this is the largest non-obese cat on (verified) record - a litigon called Cubanacan (born in Alipore zoo in India, 1979), who was estimated to weigh around 800 pounds (363kg) at his largest, based on his measured dimensions (1.32m at the shoulder, 3.5m in total length - 1985 Guinness World Record):


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