Birmingham Pride of lions

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(10-27-2020, 10:33 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-27-2020, 10:26 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(10-27-2020, 10:20 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-27-2020, 06:10 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: A couple videos of the dominate Ross male and the young Birmingham male having a stand off.
Such interesting behavior and reactions between the two.
Video credits goes to: Shaun Marshall

While the Birmingham Young Male is clearly submissive to Tyson, I believe Tyson has shown quite a bit of respect and hesitation as of late, towards the young male. I firmly believe Tyson was the one who injured him to begin with, but I also believe the young male is the one who gave Tyson that nasty cut on his face a few days ago. So, while he is certainly asserting his dominance, he doesn't appear too quick to start a fight either. 

Do we know who the males are that the narrator of the video I posted a couple of days ago was referring to? He said there were other males in the area roaring, causing tension with the Ross males, and causing the entire pride to roar in response, to try and fend off the intruders. Could it be the Mbiris, since the Birmingham Young Male happened upon them eating a kill during his walk?

That's really correct my friend. Tyson as one point has showed something of respect toward the young Birmingham male, However if he continues to be stubborn probably both Ross  males will chasing him out of the Birmingham pride...
Those males that were roaring could be the Mbiri males? (Matimba sons).
Tyson clearly showed that he is the Boss there and if the young Birmingham male doesn't follow his rules he will letting him know easily hehe

It was post 27 on page 2 of this thread, if you're not sure which video I was talking about, but the pride certainly began roaring in unison, after the Ross male started it, and the guide said it was in response to other lions encroaching on their territory. I was only putting two and two together, since the BYM took that long walk, and was seen on video close to the Mbriris, and the guide in the video I post which showed the BYM had returned to the Birmingham pride, he mentioned that BYM had been with the Mbiris as well. If the Mbiris made a move on the Birmingham pride, I wonder how BYM would react, would he fight beside the Ross males, or against them?

Could be. I believe that the Mbiris and Nharu are still inexperienced to established as dominant males on somewhere part of Timbavati,Kruger or Manyeleti... Their numbers and size clearly helps them a lot. Let's see what happens. The 2 Mbiri males sired by Matimba males are moving for everywhere lately and both Mbiri males chased away the Ross males a couple of years back too.
The Birmingham lionesses more than likely will fight beside the Ross males. as they have cubs with them and the 2 news cubs Reply

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(10-27-2020, 10:38 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(10-27-2020, 10:33 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-27-2020, 10:26 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(10-27-2020, 10:20 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-27-2020, 06:10 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: A couple videos of the dominate Ross male and the young Birmingham male having a stand off.
Such interesting behavior and reactions between the two.
Video credits goes to: Shaun Marshall

While the Birmingham Young Male is clearly submissive to Tyson, I believe Tyson has shown quite a bit of respect and hesitation as of late, towards the young male. I firmly believe Tyson was the one who injured him to begin with, but I also believe the young male is the one who gave Tyson that nasty cut on his face a few days ago. So, while he is certainly asserting his dominance, he doesn't appear too quick to start a fight either. 

Do we know who the males are that the narrator of the video I posted a couple of days ago was referring to? He said there were other males in the area roaring, causing tension with the Ross males, and causing the entire pride to roar in response, to try and fend off the intruders. Could it be the Mbiris, since the Birmingham Young Male happened upon them eating a kill during his walk?

That's really correct my friend. Tyson as one point has showed something of respect toward the young Birmingham male, However if he continues to be stubborn probably both Ross  males will chasing him out of the Birmingham pride...
Those males that were roaring could be the Mbiri males? (Matimba sons).
Tyson clearly showed that he is the Boss there and if the young Birmingham male doesn't follow his rules he will letting him know easily hehe

It was post 27 on page 2 of this thread, if you're not sure which video I was talking about, but the pride certainly began roaring in unison, after the Ross male started it, and the guide said it was in response to other lions encroaching on their territory. I was only putting two and two together, since the BYM took that long walk, and was seen on video close to the Mbriris, and the guide in the video I post which showed the BYM had returned to the Birmingham pride, he mentioned that BYM had been with the Mbiris as well. If the Mbiris made a move on the Birmingham pride, I wonder how BYM would react, would he fight beside the Ross males, or against them?

Could be. I believe that the Mbiris and Nharu are still inexperienced to established as dominant males on somewhere part of Timbavati,Kruger or Manyeleti... Their numbers and size clearly helps them a lot. Let's see what happens. The 2 Mbiri males sired by Matimba males are moving for everywhere lately and both Mbiri males chased away the Ross males a couple of years back too.
The Birmingham lionesses more than likely will fight beside the Ross males. as they have cubs with them and the 2 news cubs

For sure the lionesses would fight beside the Ross males, a lot of cubs in this pride to protect. As @Tr1x24 mentioned, I believe BYM would also not fight against the Ross males as well. Though he was seen mingling with the Mbiris, Birmingham Pride is his natal pride, and the Mbiris are more strangers to him. Some really interesting dynamics taking place there, right now. Tyson and Fabio are truly massive beasts, and not to be trifled with at this stage in their lives. Reply

[Tr1x24]

(10-27-2020, 10:44 PM)BA0701 Wrote: For sure the lionesses would fight beside the Ross males, a lot of cubs in this pride to protect. As @Tr1x24 mentioned, I believe BYM would also not fight against the Ross males as well. Though he was seen mingling with the Mbiris, Birmingham Pride is his natal pride, and the Mbiris are more strangers to him. Some really interesting dynamics taking place there, right now. Tyson and Fabio are truly massive beasts, and not to be trifled with at this stage in their lives.

That would be the same situation as Junior was when 5 Bboys takeover S. Matimbas, Junior didnt interfere in the clash..

But Mbiris are not ready yet, 3 of them are not 4 yrs old yet, they are younger and smaller then BYM at this point.. 

If they came close to 2 Ross males and Birmingham Pride, they would be absolutely destroyed by 2 Ross males, BYM and 5 Birmingham lionesses..

Mbiris are currently in the phase of avoiding dominant males and trying to bulk up. Reply

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(10-27-2020, 10:51 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(10-27-2020, 10:44 PM)BA0701 Wrote: For sure the lionesses would fight beside the Ross males, a lot of cubs in this pride to protect. As @Tr1x24 mentioned, I believe BYM would also not fight against the Ross males as well. Though he was seen mingling with the Mbiris, Birmingham Pride is his natal pride, and the Mbiris are more strangers to him. Some really interesting dynamics taking place there, right now. Tyson and Fabio are truly massive beasts, and not to be trifled with at this stage in their lives.

That would be the same situation as Junior was when 5 Bboys takeover S. Matimbas, Junior didnt interfere in the clash..

But Mbiris are not ready yet, 3 of them are not 4 yrs old yet, they are younger and smaller then BYM at this point.. 

If they came close to 2 Ross males and Birmingham Pride, they would be absolutely destroyed by 2 Ross males, BYM and 5 Birmingham lionesses..

Mbiris are currently in the phase of avoiding dominant males and trying to bulk up.

Yeah, I think once all the roaring took place by the pride, the Mbiris likely turned in another direction. In that video, the guide referred to the "Mbiri Pride", was he referring to the Mbiri Coalition, or is there a Mbiri Pride from which those males came? Reply

[Tr1x24]

(10-27-2020, 10:58 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Yeah, I think once all the roaring took place by the pride, the Mbiris likely turned in another direction. In that video, the guide referred to the "Mbiri Pride", was he referring to the Mbiri Coalition, or is there a Mbiri Pride from which those males came?

Yes Mbiri pride often comes to Ngala, they where seen with Junior there month or so ago on WE..
They are neigbouring prides.. Reply

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(10-27-2020, 11:01 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(10-27-2020, 10:58 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Yeah, I think once all the roaring took place by the pride, the Mbiris likely turned in another direction. In that video, the guide referred to the "Mbiri Pride", was he referring to the Mbiri Coalition, or is there a Mbiri Pride from which those males came?

Yes Mbiri pride often comes to Ngala, they where seen with Junior there month or so ago on WE..
They are neigbouring prides..

Ah, OK, then that raises another question for me, was BYM mingling with the Mbiri coalition, or the Mbiri pride. Being neighboring prides, I'd imagine there is likely some history of clashes to set boundaries, so they know something about each other. I found it strange that the Mbiri coalition and BYM male being so close to each other due to how established the Mbiris are, but would find it equally odd if he was mingling with that pride as the guide said. We saw video of BYM very close to those males eating their kill, and I was surprised that they did not get more aggressive with him during that encounter, to be honest. Perhaps they were unaware, but the video makes it look as if he was only a few yards away from them. Reply

[Tr1x24]

(10-27-2020, 11:07 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Ah, OK, then that raises another question for me, was BYM mingling with the Mbiri coalition, or the Mbiri pride. Being neighboring prides, I'd imagine there is likely some history of clashes to set boundaries, so they know something about each other. I found it strange that the Mbiri coalition and BYM male being so close to each other due to how established the Mbiris are, but would find it equally odd if he was mingling with that pride as the guide said. We saw video of BYM very close to those males eating their kill, and I was surprised that they did not get more aggressive with him during that encounter, to be honest. Perhaps they were unaware, but the video makes it look as if he was only a few yards away from them.

They didnt spot him, otherwise they would certaintly be agressive towards him because of the kill. Reply

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Some fantastic video of BYM and the pride, video of the Birmingham Pride begins at 9:16. He is seriously a massive beast, when he fills out he will be incredibly large.

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(10-27-2020, 11:07 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(10-27-2020, 11:01 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(10-27-2020, 10:58 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Yeah, I think once all the roaring took place by the pride, the Mbiris likely turned in another direction. In that video, the guide referred to the "Mbiri Pride", was he referring to the Mbiri Coalition, or is there a Mbiri Pride from which those males came?

Yes Mbiri pride often comes to Ngala, they where seen with Junior there month or so ago on WE..
They are neigbouring prides..

Ah, OK, then that raises another question for me, was BYM mingling with the Mbiri coalition, or the Mbiri pride. Being neighboring prides, I'd imagine there is likely some history of clashes to set boundaries, so they know something about each other. I found it strange that the Mbiri coalition and BYM male being so close to each other due to how established the Mbiris are, but would find it equally odd if he was mingling with that pride as the guide said. We saw video of BYM very close to those males eating their kill, and I was surprised that they did not get more aggressive with him during that encounter, to be honest. Perhaps they were unaware, but the video makes it look as if he was only a few yards away from them.

The Birmingham young male was clearly keeping a distance between the Mbiri and Nharu males.... Otherwise those four boys will chasing him away out of the area. perhaps the guide has been referring to the Mbiri pride and then the Orpen male. that a couple of months ago has been seen in Ngala Private Game Reserve during WE Safari live. Reply

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One of the Birmingham sub-adult males 
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One of the Birmingham females keeping an eye on us over a giraffe carcass.
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The young Birmingham male keeping an eye on us over the grass.
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An old portrait of the two lead Birmingham pride lionesses with their age approx the 13 yrs old still are very strong and brave lionesses.
These two lionesses are mother of the five Birmingham boys (As well of the majority of the lionesses from the Birmingham breakaway pride) and the 3 oldest Nharu lionesses. Isn't this awesome?
Image by: Marna Kritz
The Birmingham pride is one of the most interesting pride in the Greater Kruger imo.

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[Gijima]

(10-28-2020, 06:49 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: An old portrait of the two lead Birmingham pride lionesses with their age approx the 13 yrs old still are very strong and brave lionesses.
These two lionesses are mother of the five Birmingham boys (As well of the majority of the lionesses from the Birmingham breakaway pride) and the 3 oldest Nharu lionesses. Isn't this awesome?
Image by: Marna Kritz
The Birmingham pride is one of the most interesting pride in the Greater Kruger imo.

*This image is copyright of its original author

Great duo and still in such great condition. Do you know if either of them are mothers of the young Birmingham male & sister? Reply

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(10-28-2020, 07:13 AM)Gijima Wrote:

(10-28-2020, 06:49 AM)TinoArmando Wrote: An old portrait of the two lead Birmingham pride lionesses with their age approx the 13 yrs old still are very strong and brave lionesses.
These two lionesses are mother of the five Birmingham boys (As well of the majority of the lionesses from the Birmingham breakaway pride) and the 3 oldest Nharu lionesses. Isn't this awesome?
Image by: Marna Kritz
The Birmingham pride is one of the most interesting pride in the Greater Kruger imo.

*This image is copyright of its original author

Great duo and still in such great condition. Do you know if either of them are mothers of the young Birmingham male & sister?

I'll ask this to Ngala rangers.

But to be honest the young Birmingham lioness look like as the white dot (lioness on the left side of the photo) her was named as white dot by Jandi Reply