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(03-07-2021, 04:25 PM)Tonpa Wrote: was this boy expelled by the kruger males? And some of the lionesses followed him?
He is mostly spending his time on outskirts of Torchwood pride territory in northern Mala Mala and is sometimes viewed with Torchwood pride members. It doesn't seem like Kruger males are always with a Torchwood pride so Torchwood male still can spent some time with his pride.
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03-07-2021, 05:00 PM( This post was last modified: 03-07-2021, 05:02 PM by Tr1x24 )
(03-07-2021, 04:53 PM)Potato Wrote: He is mostly spending his time on outskirts of Torchwood pride territory in northern Mala Mala and is sometimes viewed with Torchwood pride members. It doesn't seem like Kruger males are always with a Torchwood pride so Torchwood male still can spent some time with his pride
I think Kruger males dont control Torchwood breakeaway females (or dont spent much time with them) with who Torchwood young male can be seen, as this lioness Smudge Nose was recently seen mating with Mohawk Avoca..
Kruger males control core of the pride, with who Torchwood male dont hangs out for a while now, he is only with breakeaway'.
(03-07-2021, 04:53 PM)Potato Wrote: He is mostly spending his time on outskirts of Torchwood pride territory in northern Mala Mala and is sometimes viewed with Torchwood pride members. It doesn't seem like Kruger males are always with a Torchwood pride so Torchwood male still can spent some time with his pride
I think Kruger males dont control Torchwood breakeaway females (or dont spent much time with them) with who Torchwood young male can be seen, as this lioness Smudge Nose was recently seen mating with Mohawk Avoca..
Kruger males control core of the pride, with who Torchwood male dont hangs out for a while now, he is only with breakeaway'.
I do not think there is a breakaway at all. Through 2019 it looked like 4 females sired by Birminghams will permamently split off from the core pride and establish themselfs as new pride resident in northern Mala Mala, but looking at the sightings of that pride through 2020 it look like young females rejoined the core pride and the northern Mala Mala is wide empty beside occassional apearances of Kambula, Torchwood and Nkuchuma prides.
03-07-2021, 05:52 PM( This post was last modified: 03-07-2021, 05:57 PM by Tr1x24 )
(03-07-2021, 05:19 PM)Potato Wrote: I do not think there is a breakaway at all. Through 2019 it looked like 4 females sired by Birminghams will permamently split off from the core pride and establish themselfs as new pride resident in northern Mala Mala, but looking at the sightings of that pride through 2020 it look like young females rejoined the core pride and the northern Mala Mala is wide empty beside occassional apearances of Kambula, Torchwood and Nkuchuma prides.
Not true, where did you see that those females rejoined the core pride? Last sighting of whole Torchwoods was in early 2020, 13 females +1 young male..
2 days ago there was sighting of 9 Torchwood lionesses with 6 cubs together, now we dont know if "breakeaway" females where there or not..
In MalaMala sightings, there was always only 3/4 younger females (no females sired by Matimbas) sometimes with Smudge Nose female (who prob moves between the 2 gruops) and Torchwood young male, there was never more then 4/5 females, and Torchwood is 13 females strong..
Also in many sightings you can see 3/4 younger females and Smudge Nose on their own..
It may not be full breakeaway yet, but those 3/4 females are definetly hanging on their own a lot..
(03-07-2021, 05:52 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: In MalaMala sightings, there was always only 3/4 younger females (no females sired by Matimbas) sometimes with Smudge Nose female (who prob moves between the 2 gruops) and Torchwood young male, there was never more then 4/5 females, and Torchwood is 13 females strong..
That was in 2019. If you look at raports from 2020 you hardly and find any sighting of that supposed breakaway together. On some rare occasions Torchwood male was seen with one or two of his sisters together.
(03-07-2021, 05:52 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Not true, where did you see that those females rejoined the core pride? Last sighting of whole Torchwoods was in early 2020, 13 females +1 young male..
I didn't, but the think there are no sighting of this entire supposed breakaway on their own either. Also there is mentioned by you sighting entire Torchwood pride together from year ago.
I just check to be precise as before I was basing on my memory: August 2020 was the was month this supposed breakaway was seen together (https://www.malamala.com/uploads/files/8.-MALAMALA-GAME-RESERVE-GAME-REPORT-AUGUST-2020-GNS.pdf). At that point there are no basics to presume they operate as separate unite with separate territory and therefore separate pride.
03-08-2021, 01:17 AM( This post was last modified: 03-08-2021, 01:22 AM by Tr1x24 )
(03-07-2021, 07:07 PM)Potato Wrote: I didn't, but the think there are no sighting of this entire supposed breakaway on their own either. Also there is mentioned by you sighting entire Torchwood pride together from year ago.
? In the past 2 months only, there was numerous sighting of 3/4 Torchwood females alone, they where even seen at Djuma on WildEarth, those females usually hang further west then core gruop, which is mostly in Nkorho and Kruger..
In MalaMala reports and videos, from 2019 to this day, they never saw all Torchwood pride together, only this 3/4 females and young male.
(03-07-2021, 07:12 PM)Potato Wrote: I just check to be precise as before I was basing on my memory: August 2020 was the was month this supposed breakaway was seen together (https://www.malamala.com/uploads/files/8.-MALAMALA-GAME-RESERVE-GAME-REPORT-AUGUST-2020-GNS.pdf). At that point there are no basics to presume they operate as separate unite with separate territory and therefore separate pride.
As I said, they might not be fully breakeaway, but those 3/4 lionesses definitely have been spending a lot of time alone, and thats all the way from 2019 until this day..
I woudl have to doublecheck how far west they actually went on that WE sighting, they were on Main Gowrie Cutline, but I believe they might not have reached Djuma and have been east of Djuma in Torchwood and even Chitwa Chitwa (which with Buffelshoek and Simbabili as well the WE vehicles can traverse into; one at the same time in some cases I believe and maybe there are other limitations). Anyway they were pretty far west.
(03-31-2021, 08:28 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Any idea which bboy sired the torchwood male?
Probably Nhenha by the look of him, but obviously only DNA tests could confirm that as any of the Birminghams beside Scrapper could potenially be the father of Torchwood male.
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